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New to me failure - double feed? Stovepipe?

#1 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:33 pm

Not sure what to call this type of failure but it happened 3 times today (and messed up a pretty good Bullseye run!)

Any insight as to why would be appreciated.

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#2 Post by Bucolic » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:37 pm

Can’t tell quite what’s up. Was it a failure to extract?


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#3 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:42 pm

Each time it was an unfired round stuck in the barrel.

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#4 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:46 pm

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#5 Post by Bucolic » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:10 pm

I suspect that your chamber is really dirty. A carbon build-up can cause that. If you can’t get a brush in from the rear to really scrub the chamber, you might try to fab something like this:

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Or you can buy one here: http://www.gunsmithertools.com/brush-n- ... index.html

If you can take the barrel off, go at it from the breech and really scrub out the carbon ring.


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#6 Post by Bucolic » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:11 pm

That is a Smith and Wesson Victory, right? So the barrel comes off pretty easily, or so I recall.


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#7 Post by Bacchus » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 pm

Funny, I had this same exact thing happen to me in my MK III. For me it was 'Pow, cycle, click' and the case stuck in the chamber was empty, with a new round jammed while trying to slot into the occupied chamber. At first, I thought squib. Nope, just the case stuck in the chamber and the ejector wouldn't... eject.

This happened with Aguila Super Extra; I changed ammo and 'poof,' problem gone. Very weird.

What ammo? Have you tried a different kind?
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#8 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 pm

Yes, it’s a Victory. I usually remove the barrel when I clean it and scrub it really well. It only had a couple hundred rounds through it before it jammed up, though I have been using a different brand of 22lr. Maybe could be a factor?

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#9 Post by bigbass4me » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:19 pm

I’ve been told a lot of rimfire semi autos are very picky about what ammo they use and that this is what’s normal if the gun and ammo don’t work together


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#10 Post by Bucolic » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Could be. I only shoot one or two different types.

By the way, I did not mean to imply that you were guilty of poor chamber hygiene ;-)

Worth trying a different type of ammo. You also might take the barrel off and see if a round inserted by hand gets stuck. If so, try a different type and see. If they both get stuck, scrub the chamber.


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#11 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:46 pm

I usually use CCI Blazer, though I have run several other brands through the Victory. Today I tried out Winchester Super X, which is now on the Don’t Use list along with only one other so far - Aguila Super Extra.

Maybe my Victory doesn’t like the word Super or the letter X....

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#12 Post by shinzen » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:59 pm

Bacchus wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 pm
Funny, I had this same exact thing happen to me in my MK III. For me it was 'Pow, cycle, click' and the case stuck in the chamber was empty, with a new round jammed while trying to slot into the occupied chamber. At first, I thought squib. Nope, just the case stuck in the chamber and the ejector wouldn't... eject.
Same thing happened to me on Friday- on a really clean MKIII running my normal CCI mini-mags. Got worse with the Aguila target ammo, but also seemed to be having light primer strikes. I ordered a VQ firing pin and extractor replacement since both are original and have had many thousands of rounds through it.
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#13 Post by Bacchus » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:44 pm

shinzen wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:59 pm
Bacchus wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 pm
Funny, I had this same exact thing happen to me in my MK III. For me it was 'Pow, cycle, click' and the case stuck in the chamber was empty, with a new round jammed while trying to slot into the occupied chamber. At first, I thought squib. Nope, just the case stuck in the chamber and the ejector wouldn't... eject.
Same thing happened to me on Friday- on a really clean MKIII running my normal CCI mini-mags. Got worse with the Aguila target ammo, but also seemed to be having light primer strikes. I ordered a VQ firing pin and extractor replacement since both are original and have had many thousands of rounds through it.
Interesting. Are you thinking worn parts to blame? I'll have to give mine closer inspection. Mine may be in the low thousands count by now, but I can't figure why different ammo would clear the fault; Maybe just a teeny bit different in specs?

EDIT TO ADD: ...Or is this just the Universe telling me I need an MK IV Competition Model? ;)
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#14 Post by senorgrand » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:02 pm

My gut tells me your gun wasn't returning to full battery. It could be the previous round had enough umph to chamber a new round, but not to put the slide all the way into battery. During the ammo shortage, I tried to shoot some Super X through my 22 and gave up...it just wouldn't eat it.

So, either bad ammo or maybe you were riding the slide?
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#15 Post by Maccabee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:20 pm

senorgrand wrote:My gut tells me your gun wasn't returning to full battery. It could be the previous round had enough umph to chamber a new round, but not to put the slide all the way into battery. During the ammo shortage, I tried to shoot some Super X through my 22 and gave up...it just wouldn't eat it.

So, either bad ammo or maybe you were riding the slide?
Definitely wasn’t riding the slide. Based on everyone’s posts in this thread, it sounds to me like it’s definitely the ammo. Had no problems with a few thousand rounds of CCI, but these malfunctions were all with Winchester ammo.
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#16 Post by senorgrand » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:33 pm

CCI high velocity will cycle just about any pistol...good stuff.
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#17 Post by Stick655 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:09 pm

I will echo what others have said, .22 caliber firearms are notoriously finicky, and .22 ammo doesn't seem to be manufactured to exacting standards. That said, I'm wondering if there is a primer strike? This would be a failure to fire as well as a failure to extract. But if the CCI is working for you, then keep using that. If the problem persists I would take it to a gunsmith and have them do some measurements for wear on the internals, or you could just upgrade to new stuff.

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#18 Post by Bisbee » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:00 pm

Maccabee, it appears your gun may be dirty. A .22 round stuck in the chamber, as Bucolic said, commonly implies a dirty chamber.

But also your firing pin/bolt may be gunked up as well. An unfired round with such a slight dimple indicates a poor strike more than a bad round. But switching ammo may solve that problem. However, you may find all the problems resolved after a thourough cleaning with chamber brush, toothpicks, or dental tool.

Barring that then yes, ammo related.

Baccus, a stuck empty .22 case in the chamber indicates a dirty chamber or dirty extractor. Sometimes it points to a worn extractor but on a newer gun with just a few thousand rounds that’s not likely the case. (Sorry, no real excuse to throw money at the gun.) You, also, may find all the problems resolved after a thourough cleaning with chamber brush, toothpicks, or dental tool.
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#19 Post by Maccabee » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:03 pm

Thanks for the tips, Bis, but I’ve since figured out how to fix the problem: a few months after I originally posted I traded in the Victory towards a Mark IV Hunter.


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#20 Post by Bisbee » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:34 pm

D’oh!
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Who’s Stick55 and why’d he raise a necro-thread just to blab about .22lr out of the blue?
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#21 Post by Eris » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:52 pm

Stick655 wrote:
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I will echo what others have said, .22 caliber firearms are notoriously finicky, and .22 ammo doesn't seem to be manufactured to exacting standards. That said, I'm wondering if there is a primer strike? This would be a failure to fire as well as a failure to extract. But if the CCI is working for you, then keep using that. If the problem persists I would take it to a gunsmith and have them do some measurements for wear on the internals, or you could just upgrade to new stuff.
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#22 Post by lsj74 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:32 pm

I had this happen to me but the case was jammed so tight I had a hard time pulling the bolt back and the trigger did not seem to be resetting. I brush the barrel out after every range trip but I never had any issues of any kind before. I cleaned it thoroughly when I got home but I haven't fired it since. I plan on taking it out tomorrow.

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