Re: looking into .308 and larger rifles
26If you’re going for another caliber in the AR, 6.5 Grendel is an excellent choice. 300 doesn’t have much to offer without a can.
QFT. A friend of mine has a .300BLK AR-15 and I don't really get the appeal other than his handwavy "you can hunt with it." He definitely espouses the fact that he can have subsonic ammo, but thats not much good without a suppressor, nor would it help when he goes to shoot it next to a bunch of people shooting other very not-suppressed rifles.Marlene wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:11 am If you’re going for another caliber in the AR, 6.5 Grendel is an excellent choice. 300 doesn’t have much to offer without a can.
Do yourself a solid and try to borrow or rent a .300 AAC (or Blackout) before you spend your cash. Try shooting it at 100 or 200 yards. A lot of people have been very disappointed with that caliber and the artillery like trajectories needed at any distance.BillMcD wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:52 amI've been considering getting a .300 AAC upper (unless I get comfortable replacing barrels and gas systems) but i would have to find a good price for it, and also be willing to reload my own brass. A lot of these special bullets run the tab up a lot. either way its more money (and time and storage space) going into the rifle that i don't know if i'm ready to spend yet. I don't have a reloading setup and I'm not sure im confident pressing together cartridges, especially if i have to cut and shape the casings, not to mention primers. I have to do more research.rascally wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:08 pm Regarding your AR feeling "anemic", an AR doesn't have much felt recoil because of the straight back operating system. The bolt carrier, buffer and spring are all soaking up recoil force, and being straight back there's not much upward motion imparted compared to a traditional drop stock.
Also, .223 is not the only caliber available in an AR. I have an AR chambered in 6.8 SPC. The difference is the barrel, bolt and magazine. .223 it's not. Still not much recoil (it's an AR) but hits a lot harder than .223...you could just acquire ( or build) an upper in that caliber and give it a try.
Additionally, have you tried firing .223 or 5.56 in a bolt action? Completely different feeling.
Finally, don't be ashamed to use recoil pads. I use Limbsaver pads on my AR's and my 12 gauge double. My shoulder never hurts...
Recoil pads are nice.BillMcD wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:52 am
I've been considering getting a .300 AAC upper (unless I get comfortable replacing barrels and gas systems) but i would have to find a good price for it, and also be willing to reload my own brass. A lot of these special bullets run the tab up a lot. either way its more money (and time and storage space) going into the rifle that i don't know if i'm ready to spend yet. I don't have a reloading setup and I'm not sure im confident pressing together cartridges, especially if i have to cut and shape the casings, not to mention primers. I have to do more research.
This.Marlene wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:21 pm I'll have to find a better class of range to scrounge brass from
One thing to keep in mind about recoil is that full power calibers seem challenging when you aren't familiar with shooting that sort of gun. Don't get me wrong, while I'm notoriously insensitive to handgun recoil (my reputation exceeds the reality and might be bolstered in some quarters by sexist expectations), I am not a fan of heavy recoil in rifles. Most magnums? forget it! 45-70 leverguns make me very sad, because I'd like to be in to them. That said, I can shoot most 30-06 class rifles all day long with comfort because I know how to hold them rather than because I am tough.
I got beat up badly by my first Mosin, until someone kindly gave me some pointers that made it much less painful.
Folks who start shooting centerfire rifles with ARs and the like just haven't learned how to properly hold a rifle that recoils because they have never shot a rifle that recoils.
Tell that to my chest/shoulder when the first long gun i fired was a remington 870.sikacz wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:22 pmThis.Marlene wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:21 pm I'll have to find a better class of range to scrounge brass from
One thing to keep in mind about recoil is that full power calibers seem challenging when you aren't familiar with shooting that sort of gun. Don't get me wrong, while I'm notoriously insensitive to handgun recoil (my reputation exceeds the reality and might be bolstered in some quarters by sexist expectations), I am not a fan of heavy recoil in rifles. Most magnums? forget it! 45-70 leverguns make me very sad, because I'd like to be in to them. That said, I can shoot most 30-06 class rifles all day long with comfort because I know how to hold them rather than because I am tough.
I got beat up badly by my first Mosin, until someone kindly gave me some pointers that made it much less painful.
Folks who start shooting centerfire rifles with ARs and the like just haven't learned how to properly hold a rifle that recoils because they have never shot a rifle that recoils.
"Folks who start shooting centerfire rifles with ARs and the like just haven't learned how to properly hold a rifle that recoils because they have never shot a rifle that recoils."
It's the best reason to start off with an old fashion bolt center fire rifle paired with a good bolt action .22LR rim fire rifle. It's all in how you hold it.
Dear Bill's chest/shoulder, I'm sorry nobody taught him to shoot without hurting you when he first started out. Shoulder sometimes might reasonably get the worst of it, but chest shouldn't even have been in the game.BillMcD wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:47 pm Tell that to my chest/shoulder when the first long gun i fired was a remington 870.
Heh, yeah, I tried to keep it in the pocket and it still beat my shoulder sore with a bruise that lasted a good few weeks. It doesn't help that i have short arms making a proper grip even harder. Regardless, I would probably need an adjustable stock, a better recoil pad, and maybe even a muzzle break (because remington markets one for defense) before i pick up another 12 gauge pump.Marlene wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:43 pmDear Bill's chest/shoulder, I'm sorry nobody taught him to shoot without hurting you when he first started out. Shoulder sometimes might reasonably get the worst of it, but chest shouldn't even have been in the game.BillMcD wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:47 pm Tell that to my chest/shoulder when the first long gun i fired was a remington 870.
I would if I could. Closet gun owner, ya know?Marlene wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:05 pm I swear, guys, you were not born knowing how to do this on account of your manliness or something. Find someone to teach you.
you're not trying to STOP the recoil, you're trying to soak it up. be like a sponge. you're not immovable, you're absorbent.lurker wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:28 pm hold on firmly, seat buttstock firmly into shoulder and hold it there, let the recoil push, roll with it.
yeah, that was my mistake, I was rigid to try and keep my sights on target more than soak recoil. Gotta roll with the punches, even with rifles and shotguns. It was a stance for body armor, not for t-shirts. Still, after having shot various rifles including a PS90(not sure if rifle or pistol carbine) I'm starting to get a bullpup itch that is hard to scratch without spending a lot of money .lurker wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:44 pm it's not that hard. as i said earlier,you're not trying to STOP the recoil, you're trying to soak it up. be like a sponge. you're not immovable, you're absorbent.lurker wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:28 pm hold on firmly, seat buttstock firmly into shoulder and hold it there, let the recoil push, roll with it.
me too. welcome to the age of the "assault" rifle. it has, after all, been 50 years (or more)m1ckDELTA wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:06 am I'm more than a bit surprised by how many folks haven't shot a traditional rifle.
Some of this is coming into firearms from a Law enforcement angle first. Only manual actions i have experience with are pump shotguns and revolvers. I was never able to pass a para-military fitness test so the closest i got was basically college events doing whatever was available, and I don't know of any LE bolt/lever rifle competitions (its mostly pistols).lurker wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:43 amme too. welcome to the age of the "assault" rifle. it has, after all, been 50 years (or more)m1ckDELTA wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:06 am I'm more than a bit surprised by how many folks haven't shot a traditional rifle.
actually, my first gun was black powder, an 1861 springfield replica. 2nd gun was a garand, and 3rd was a 1911a1. AR? recoil? where? i don't see any recoil!
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