lurker wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:06 am
if you were closer, we'd be talkin, cause i have a (boat) load of '39, from who-knows-where. i once (2002?) wrote a blogish thing about the development of firearms technology from flint and muzzleloaders on up, and speculated that bullpups were the coming thing. which is apparently not happening, though whether out of some ergonomic or technical issue, or maybe out of habit or prejudice, i don't know. so bullpups interest me. for some reason the british l-85 types catch my eye. yes, i'm aware they have a bad reputation. i've handled a couple of aftermarket modded bullpups like the sks i mentioned which were not entirely satisfactory, but i suspect the intentionally designed bullpup might be a different experience. i'd certainly like to try one. i wish you luck in your quest.
That's the problem with trying to reinvent the wheel when you already have one that's been upgraded so many times. Asking for a bullpup from what is basically a furniture change leads to a rather problematic rifle that basically costs more without much benefit. Designing a new one requires a NEED for something different. Something that is not a wheel, or at least a stubborn arms manufacturer who has backing to make something new and an adopter who will support its progress. Hence we have Steyr with the AUG, IWI with the Tavor, the type 95 in China, and previously the FAMAS in France. Its not that they haven't taken off, its just the US and USSR/Russia handed out M16s and AKs like candy. Countries buying their own rifles have made varying decisions on what to buy/make and it includes bullpups in some cases.
When it comes to civilian arms, there are a lot of existing functional models that use the same style actions that they have for in some cases over 100 years. There hasn't been a need for civilian bullpup arms and thus tradition holds. Also since the US has the largest civilian gun market, and the military uses the M16/M4, most people looking at military style rifles look at ones that copy the AR 15. Soviet surplus pushed the AK in other areas. Outside of that though, there hasn't been much market interest in reinventing or adopting a replacement for the wheel.
DispositionMatrix wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:16 am
BillMcD wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:57 am
And i realized i like bullpups way too much. I don't care that much about military triggers and such but the ergonomics just work best for me. I liked the PS90 I tried as well (aside from the ammo cost, definitely not worth for a small caliber with low power). Now if only bullpups weren't so expensive and rare. I'm definitely getting a tavor 7 when possible though. If IWI made it up to snuff, it should at least be reliable, and still probably more accurate than I am (relative term, My shoulder fire accuracy isn't great, man sized target at 100 yards with irons, but i need a better range if i'm going to try to push past 100m and make a scope worth it)
Why the 7 over the X95?
Too expensive to justify in place of my existing AR. That's the issue with bullpups. Existing rifles do the job and there isn't a NEED to replace them all so trying to make a newer better rifle that shoots 5.56 automatically loses out to an upgraded AR. With the 7.62 nato, I don't have a rifle in that caliber, and semi-autos in that niche are all over the place in terms of price, quality, modularity, and ergonomics.