DougMasters wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am
DougMasters wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.
The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
To each their own. But when I vote its because someone has to earn my vote, not because the alternative to one is less worse than the other. People who constantly just vote for least worst are what the two party oligarchy counts on. People like me aren't to blame for Trump as people like me wouldn't have given you the choice of thing one vs thing two. My POV isn't to blame for these people you hate so much winning elections. I have a base line of decency that you have to meet. If you don't meet it I won't vote for you, end of story.
If the establishment has no consequence for screwing you, they will simply continue to screw you. And I won't be apart of that.
You know, when you live in a state like New York or Texas, where it's not going to make a damn bit of difference, voting your conscience is fine.
But when it's in a critical state and the unprincipled weeny with some mild crooked tendencies barely loses to the psychopathic predator determined to destroy everyone's rights, there's still a question of "right" vs "wrong", but it's a very different question. Do you REALLY think Hillary Clinton, with all her flaws, would, in any way be 1000th as catastrophic as Trump to EVERYTHING not just Liberals but everyone in America? There's a damn good chance in 2020 we will not be able to vote Trump out of office even if the vast majority of Americans want him gone. Remember: Republicans have NO problem cancelling elections they don't think they will win. Scott Walker just tried it in Wisconsin. Dick Cheney proposed cancelling the 2004 Presidential Election, if you remember.
So MY principle is that our Democratic Republic and our Constitution, must be protected at all costs against the fascists, bigots, and tyrants who want to destroy it, which most certainly includes the current occupant of the White House, "the People's House" or, to him "What a dump!" And if that means "the enemy of my enemy is my ally", then so be it. That's what the word "coalition" means--people of different aims and perspectives, but pointing in the same direction working together.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."