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#1 Post by K9s » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:36 pm

We have two Staceys running for governor here. If you check out Vote Smart, one Stacey seems to have been a very conservative democrat until recently. The other has held consistent views for a long time.

This article is a good example of red state politics. Check out the whole article so you can feel better about your own state. :lol:

https://www.theroot.com/black-stacey-ve ... 1819177068
The 2018 Georgia governors race is the epitome of American politics in the post-Obama, post-Trump, post-truth age: a frappé of race, sexuality and party maneuvering as the increasingly diverse state of Georgia wrestles with the future. As in much of the South, there are actually three political parties vying for power: black Democrats, white Democrats and Republicans. Thanks to gerrymandering and an exodus of white baby boomers and Generation Xers to the Republican Party since the ’90s, the Georgia Democratic Party base is mostly black.

However, the most tenured officeholders, the big-time donors and most of the political consulting class are white. All while Republicans dominate the state through voter-suppression laws so draconian that Jeff Sessions caught the vapors. Consequently, the 2018 election is a mêlée à trois among these factions, with black politicians often trying to play all sides for their own advancement. Which is how we got the two Staceys.
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#2 Post by K9s » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:53 am

Is this the year Georgia turns blue?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/ ... ump-351259
“You’re looking at a state where the demographics are changing in a much more rapid fashion than they are overall nationally,” said Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher, who recently conducted surveys in Atlanta for the mayoral race there. “Georgia is one of the states where you are seeing more rapidly the demographic transformation from majority-white, to majority-minority.”

In 1990, 27 percent of Georgians were African-American, according to the census. By 2016, that percentage was up to 32 percent.
At the Abrams campaign headquarters, a poster titled “How We Win” points out that Democrats in Georgia have lost recent elections by some 200,000 votes. More than 1 million black voters did not cast ballots during the last governor’s race in 2014, state data shows.
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#3 Post by highdesert » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:12 pm

Glad to see GA voters talking beyond race. Demographics have been changing for a long time in GA, don't know if it's at a faster pace than in other states. I'll be interested to see who wins the primary.
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#4 Post by K9s » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:03 pm

Well, for governor, there are three choices: pro-NRA/pro-Trump/culture warrior Cagle, way-too-conservative Dem Stacey Evans, and well-qualified Dem Stacey Abrams. It is a microcosm of the rest of the southern races.
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#5 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:37 pm

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Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:03 pm
Well, for governor, there are three choices: pro-NRA/pro-Trump/culture warrior Cagle, way-too-conservative Dem Stacey Evans, and well-qualified Dem Stacey Abrams. It is a microcosm of the rest of the southern races.
Stacey Abrams: Send GBI to Seize and Destroy Weapons, Magazines, Bullets
In January 0f 2016, State Rep. Stacey Abrams was a lead sponsor of House Bill 731, which would ban hundreds of firearms, magazines, and types of ammunition in Georgia.

She’s now the Democrat nominee for governor here in Georgia.

What’s worse, Abrams’ bill ordered the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) to seize and destroy the types of firearms, magazines, and types of ammunition listed below in House Bill 731.

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#6 Post by K9s » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:06 pm

The only argument they have against Abrams is to call her a "Socialist!" and claim "She will take our guns away!". It is all such absolute bull crap. The Republicans are actually a little worried about losing their changing fiefdom.

This is Georgia. No one is going to take guns away because Stacey Abrams says so. She isn't stupid, so she wouldn't do that. It was a California-style AWB-style bill. It will be a generation or more before anything like that is seriously considered here.

Read the bill.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en- ... 016/HB/731
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#7 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:51 pm

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The only argument they have against Abrams is to call her a "Socialist!" and claim "She will take our guns away!". It is all such absolute bull crap. The Republicans are actually a little worried about losing their changing fiefdom.

This is Georgia. No one is going to take guns away because Stacey Abrams says so. She isn't stupid, so she wouldn't do that. It was a California-style AWB-style bill. It will be a generation or more before anything like that is seriously considered here.

Read the bill.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en- ... 016/HB/731
Looks like all the candidates belong on the fetid trash heap of political rejectamenta, with each advocating taking <whatever> from the people in the name of a political ideal that resonates with party faithful. Too bad for Georgia.

Given the linked article was about Abrams, though, it's hard to support an apology for her position on firearm ownership based on the probability of a "California-style AWB-style bill" she bothered to sponsor in 2016 would pass. Sponsoring a straightforward bill such as HB 731 is pretty much the definition of being in agreement with its content. What's important here longterm is there is no reason to believe an elected official willing to impose restrictions on one right won't be happy to stomp on another. It's what they do.

As the last contest for POTUS was for the country, this gubernatorial contest between Cagle or Kemp and Abrams appears to be a loss for Georgia regardless of the outcome.

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#8 Post by K9s » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:34 pm

Respectfully, of course: You've been reading too many one-sided partisan views on Georgia elections. You either don't understand Georgia, or you don't care.

The poor, the women, and the minorities (to name a few groups) have suffered far too long in this Trumpian ruby red state. Whoever tells you this garbage would love to have you believe that "She's gonna take your guns!" while they reap all the benefits of power and profit.
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#9 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:15 pm

It's hard to analyze what's going on in another state's politics or another district's politics.
People on the ground usually have a far better feel and grasp of what's going on and what's real.
Stacey Abrams is simply the best chance the Democrats have to re-take the Georgia governorship. If the Democratic Party doesn't blow it. Again.
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#10 Post by K9s » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:55 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:15 pm
It's hard to analyze what's going on in another state's politics or another district's politics.
People on the ground usually have a far better feel and grasp of what's going on and what's real.
Stacey Abrams is simply the best chance the Democrats have to re-take the Georgia governorship. If the Democratic Party doesn't blow it. Again.
It is an uphill battle against the well-funded, pro-NRA, pro-Trump Lt Gov in a ruby red state. Dems have little chance of winning the governor race, so there really isn't a way to mess up. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, and vast amounts of republican money will probably carry the day for reps. It is a step forward if Abrams does well and (most importantly) gets down-ballot Dems elected. If she wins, it is because the republicans stumbled.
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#11 Post by K9s » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:57 pm

Interesting twist. Trump just endorsed the wacky anti-immigrant far-right candidate on the R side of the race. He actually stands a good chance to win and run against a progressive black female for governor. Runoff is July 24 - next Tuesday.
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#12 Post by highdesert » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:23 pm

Not a lot of polling in the Republican run off, Kemp ahead in two polls. Does GA allow cross over voting in primaries?
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20 ... -6597.html
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#13 Post by K9s » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:58 pm

highdesert wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:23 pm
Not a lot of polling in the Republican run off, Kemp ahead in two polls. Does GA allow cross over voting in primaries?
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20 ... -6597.html
These are open primaries and runoffs. Anyone can pull a Rep, Dem, or Indie ballot (those are the choices). There are some hotly contested Dem races (GA 6 & 7 and more), so it is highly unlikely that some Dem or Rep would waste their vote by trying to meddle-vote on the other side. However, Independents like me can choose Dem or Rep ballots.

Was Georgia’s Election System Hacked in 2016? Robert Mueller’s latest indictments raise new questions about the integrity of Georgia’s voting infrastructure. Why is the state stonewalling?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ure-219018
Marks says it’s astonishing how little curiosity or concern Kemp and Georgia’s Election Board have shown toward the Center’s server. “[The] Russians would not have had to ‘hack’ or force their way in. The electronic door was wide open ... and KSU’s wiping of the server logs would have likely concealed their tracks.

“[It] appears that Kemp and the State Board prefer not to know [what may have happened on that server],” Marks told me. “Nor do they want plaintiffs to find out, as they are continuing to block all attempts at litigation discovery.”
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#14 Post by highdesert » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:55 am

When Vice President Mike Pence went down to Georgia on Saturday to wade into its rough, rollicking Republican primary gubernatorial race, he did not hold back. Brian Kemp, the brazen shotgun-toting, chainsaw-revving, truck-driving social conservative, Pence said, was "the real deal." "I believe that not only is he going to win come this Tuesday, but this man is going to win in November," Pence said to loud whoops and cheers at a campaign rally in downtown Macon. "Brian Kemp will bring the kind of leadership to the statehouse that President Donald Trump has brought to the White House."

Kemp, the secretary of state, was once considered a longshot for governor, but now he had Pence stumping for him, just days after winning a nod from President Trump. The endorsements come as Kemp appears to be inching ahead of Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle in Tuesday's runoff after distinguishing himself with a series of provocative, tongue-in-cheek television ads. In one, he brandishes a double-barrel shotgun as he sits with a nervous young man who wants to date his daughter. In another, he revs up a chain saw to “rip up some regulations” and says he drives a big pickup truck “just in case he needed to round up criminal illegals.”

“Yep, I just said that,” the 54-year-old businessman drawls, with a lopsided grin. “If you want a politically incorrect conservative, that’s me.” The race between Cagle and Kemp also has become a battle between competing Republican factions in Georgia and Washington, D.C. While Cagle secured the support of outgoing Gov. Nathan Deal, Trump unexpectedly went on Twitter last week to throw his political weight behind Kemp: “Brian is tough on crime, strong on the border and illegal immigration. He loves our Military and our Vets and protects our Second Amendment. I give him my full and total endorsement.”

Trump’s presence was palpable at Saturday’s Kemp rally. The mood was jubilant, and some supporters donned “America First” T-shirts and waved signs saying, “TRUMP ENDORSES KEMP” and “VOTE KEMP: HE’S NO WIMP.” “It’s close, but I think Kemp’s going to pull it off,” said Ronald Schwartz, a 78-year-old semiretired former aerospace company manager. “He relates better with the working people.” After thanking Pence and Trump, Kemp told the crowd he was the only Republican candidate, built in the Trumpian mold, who could go on to energize the GOP base and beat Democrat Stacey Abrams in November. “Georgians are sick and tired of these politically correct liberals like Stacey Abrams who are offended and outraged by our faith, and our guns and our big trucks,” Kemp railed. “This election is about trust. Who do you trust to do the right thing when no one is looking?” “KEMP! KEMP! KEMP!” the crowd roared.

Pence’s foray into Macon was a significant setback for Cagle, 52, who began the race as front-runner, raising more than twice as much as Kemp in campaign contributions and beating him by about 13 percentage points in the first round of primary voting. A Republican stalwart who has served more than two decades as a lawmaker as well as lieutenant governor in Georgia, Cagle has struggled to maintain momentum in the last month after opponents leaked a series of secret recordings — snippets of a private conversation taped by a former competitor in the primary — that they say prove he is just another corrupt, establishment figure.

In the first, most damaging leak, Cagle admitted he backed a bill that expanded school tax credits, even though he considered it “bad public policy,” so he could hinder a political opponent’s fundraising. In another recording, Cagle said Kemp had targeted a “very rabid” audience. The primary, he grumbled, had boiled down to “who had the biggest gun, who had the biggest truck, and who could be the craziest.” Kemp did not hesitate to paint Cagle as an elitist. “Cagle calls conservative voters crazy, insults truck drivin' #2A advocates, and accuses me of collusion,” Kemp said on Twitter. “Sounds a lot like Hillary Clinton.”

In turn, Cagle has tried to discredit Kemp as a well-to-do member of the Georgia establishment. “We’ve got some Republicans who are making millions of dollars a year that are running for office, and their net worth is $10 million,” Cagle said last week at a thinly attended campaign rally in the small town of McDonough. “They’re country club Republicans. They don’t understand what the real world looks like!” Despite the bitter rhetoric, there are few policy differences between the two Republicans. Both advocate cutting taxes, vigorously defending gun rights, and clamping down on illegal immigration.

They have both vowed to support contentious “religious liberty” legislation that critics say would legalize discrimination against gay people by allowing them to be denied certain services and protections. In 2016, Deal vetoed a bill that passed the House and Senate after resistance from major corporations. “They’re both conservatives,” said M.V. “Trey” Hood III, a professor of political science at the University of Georgia. “Whoever wins the runoff, if he wins the governor race, wouldn’t govern all that differently from the other.” Still, many in Atlanta, the bustling, entrepreneurial capital of the new South, have watched aghast as Kemp has played up his gung-ho, country-boy conservatism. A hard-line right governor who caters to white rural voters, they fear, could set the state back socially and economically.

A writer for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution dubbed the May primary the “Machismo rodeo,” as five white men, including a former Navy SEAL and an Army veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, “wrestle[d] to demonstrate who has the least amount of estrogen.” Both Cagle and Kemp have taken pains to align themselves with Trump’s staunch positions on crime and immigration. They’ve also been quick to adopt some of Trump’s more polarizing slogans and behavior. In a televised debate July 15, both candidates vied to portray the other as untrustworthy — Cagle dubbing Kemp “lyin’ Brian” and Kemp, in turn, calling him “Pinocchio 2.0.” As they traded jabs, they both sounded a lot like Trump, complaining about “fake news” and “special interests” and vowing to deport “criminal illegals.”

After Trump endorsed his opponent, Cagle and his supporters argued against the idea that politicians from out of state — even beloved ones like Trump — should meddle in Georgia politics. “I don’t think Washington, D.C., should pick our next governor,” Cagle said last week while campaigning in the city of Newnan at a deli called the Redneck Gourmet. “I think that office belongs to Georgians, OK, and we’re going to keep it that way.” Prominent local Cagle supporters, such as Lynn Westmoreland, a former Georgia congresswoman, have stressed that they know the candidates better than any leader in D.C. “The president wouldn’t know [Kemp] if he got in a cab with him,” Westmoreland said at the Newnan rally. “He couldn’t pick him out of a two-person lineup.” “That’s right!” a woman in the audience hollered.

Whoever wins Tuesday faces Abrams, 44, the former Democratic leader in the Georgia House of Representatives who hopes to become the first black female governor in the country. Georgia has not elected a Democratic governor in two decade, but party officials say the state’s rapidly diversifying population could make it a swing state in 2020. And many political analysts note that Kemp’s brazen, politically incorrect shtick could be a liability with more moderate, suburban conservatives. In Macon, however, many of Kemp’s die-hard supporters were confident he could win over a broad cross-section of voters. With so much antipathy toward establishment politicians, some even argued that fewer Republicans would show up at the polls if Cagle won.

“Kemp is an outsider,” said Todd Sheffield, 24, a law student from Dublin, Ga., who wore a “Make America Great Again” cap. “The same people who dismiss him dismissed Trump. What happened? He won resoundingly.” “He’s just a down-home, Southern guy, the kind that’d stop and talk to you,” agreed Ronald Foxworth, a retired paint contractor from Columbus, Ga., who wore a “Trump 45” jersey with a Statue of Liberty emblazoned across it. “Cagle’s the kind that’d snub you. He ain’t got the common touch.”
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#15 Post by K9s » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:19 pm

Yup! Pence didn't lie.

"Brian Kemp will bring the kind of leadership to the statehouse that President Donald Trump has brought to the White House."
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#16 Post by DispositionMatrix » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:50 pm

K9s wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:34 pm
Respectfully, of course: You've been reading too many one-sided partisan views on Georgia elections. You either don't understand Georgia, or you don't care.

The poor, the women, and the minorities (to name a few groups) have suffered far too long in this Trumpian ruby red state. Whoever tells you this garbage would love to have you believe that "She's gonna take your guns!" while they reap all the benefits of power and profit.
One can just listen to Abrams herself:

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#17 Post by K9s » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:43 pm

GA is one of the most gun-permissive states in the country after decades of the conservative political stranglehold.

Georgia will have a Republican House and Senate no matter what happens in this election. The judges are very conservative. A Dem governor won't be able to ban anything. No one is worried except the far right (and they don't even believe it would happen). A Dem governor might be able to reduce gerrymandering and voter suppression, but that is about it. A ruby red state is a LOT different than a purple or blue state.
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#18 Post by highdesert » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:57 pm

It would be very helpful to have a Democratic governor with reapportionment coming up in 2020, GA will probably pick up a seat as populations shift. Governors can veto bills and it just depends on the Republican majorities in each chamber. I hope GA Democrats have a great GOTV (get out the vote) machine ready for election day, it's a tossup election.
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#19 Post by K9s » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:12 pm

highdesert wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:57 pm
It would be very helpful to have a Democratic governor with reapportionment coming up in 2020, GA will probably pick up a seat as populations shift. Governors can veto bills and it just depends on the Republican majorities in each chamber. I hope GA Democrats have a great GOTV (get out the vote) machine ready for election day, it's a tossup election.
GOTV this year is the best ever seen. I don't know if it will be enough, but it has never been better. We need some sort of check on gerrymandering and voter suppression here. Since the Voting Rights Act was gutted, Republicans have had no check or balance at the Federal or State level.
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#20 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm

The author might have a point:
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#21 Post by K9s » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:06 pm

Seriously? I hope you are joking. That is the alt-right opinion.

The Klan loves posting that crap. Or, maybe you don't understand what you just posted?

It is a Breitbart headline about Abrams taking away everyone's guns and the meme maker claims it will only apply to white people, while the radical black leftists will be armed.

Please tell me this is a bad, sarcastic joke post.
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#22 Post by shinzen » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:31 pm

DispositionMatrix wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
The author might have a point:
https://i.redd.it/k08fyptolfw11. png
I seriously cannot find any reference to this photo outside of RWNJ websites. And this is the second time I've tried. Thanks for not posting the link, but let's also not give any momentum to it unless there is a legit news source to pull from.
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#23 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:37 pm

K9s wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:06 pm
Seriously? I hope you are joking. That is the alt-right opinion.

The Klan loves posting that crap. Or, maybe you don't understand what you just posted?

It is a Breitbart headline about Abrams taking away everyone's guns and the meme maker claims it will only apply to white people, while the radical black leftists will be armed.

Please tell me this is a bad, sarcastic joke post.
I have no idea who assembled the image, but you must have missed the point. It's not complicated. AWR Hawkins pointed out a few of the New Black Panthers--a group with whom he might have a beef but I don't--are pictured carrying firearms of the exact type Abrams has said "civilians" should not be able to own, as they carry a Stacey Abrams sign. The only inference this particular graphic has to do with gun confiscation applying only to white people was yours. Nothing of the kind is mentioned or indicated in the image.

Hawkins and others on the right can gripe all they want specifically about the Panthers being black leftists, but the confiscation of firearms only from white people clearly is not what whoever made the image was conveying.

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#24 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:13 pm

shinzen wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:31 pm
DispositionMatrix wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
The author might have a point:
https://i.redd.it/k08fyptolfw11. png
I seriously cannot find any reference to this photo outside of RWNJ websites. And this is the second time I've tried. Thanks for not posting the link, but let's also not give any momentum to it unless there is a legit news source to pull from.
It took me 10 seconds of Internet sleuthing to find this Panther sect's own video from their own FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/44463634596794 ... 645040200/
Several pics:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Panther-444 ... e_internal

They _do_ have a disclaimer, which was a good idea, but there is no running away from what is shown in the video:
And relax, before you make any assumptions we are not working for & we did not plan this event with either campaign, and we have members with different political views both here in Atlanta as well as nationwide and even right here in this post. We did this on our own accord in response to the voter registration issue we're still dealing with here in Georgia in 2018 (53 thousand registered voters voices won't be heard this election).
The Panthers support of Abrams really doesn't matter to me, but as noted in viewtopic.php?p=687590#p687590 it is funny to see people carrying ARs also carrying signs in support of a candidate who opposes their ownership of ARs.

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Re: Black Stacey vs. White Stacey: A Lesson in Race Politics From GA

#25 Post by K9s » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:03 pm

I know you think I overreacted. Things are a bit tense here. I'll step off for 24 hours and think about it.

Georgia militia leader promises to protect Trump with “use of force”

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By Chris Joyner, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The leader of the Georgia Security Force III%, an anti-government group whose heavily armed members have shown up at far-right protests for the last several years, told a Danish news reporter his group is prepared to respond with “with use of force” against Democrats to protect President Donald Trump.
The border between civilization and savagery is porous and patrolled by opportunists. Resist fascism. Vote like your democracy depends on it.

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