https://www.opb.org/news/article/libera ... rs-oregon/
I'd be lying if one of the reasons that motivated me to carry was the rise of right wing violence, especially against minorities. I had my firearms license (FOID in Illinois) for eight years and didn't seriously learn how to shoot or carry concealed until two years ago, not co-incidently with the election of the current President and his vile rhetoric. Sad state of affairs.
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2I bet a lot more people are in the situation than just you.
Charlottesville.
Charlottesville.
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Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
3The guy who said he didn’t believe guns should be kept in the home for self defense is not a club member, he was a guest.
Also, kilt guy was a Pink Pistols Member come to check us out.
Also, kilt guy was a Pink Pistols Member come to check us out.
Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
4HuckleberryFun wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:31 pm The guy who said he didn’t believe guns should be kept in the home for self defense is not a club member, he was a first time guest. Also, kilt guy was a Pink Pistols Member come to check us out.
Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
5The guy who said he didn’t believe guns should be kept in the home for self defense is not a club member, he was a first time guest. Also, kilt guy was a Pink Pistols Member come to check us out. I’ve sent an email to the reporter ask8ng that he make that clear when the radio story comes out on Monday
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6After the 2016 election a lot of people on the left became more concerned about safety, especially women and minorities. Haven't seen a national analysis but I suspect that after each violent event like Pulse Nightclub and Charlottesville concealed carry licenses applications go up in states. Good OPB article, Ross posts here.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
7I read Ross’ blog. Ross, update your blog! We want to read more!highdesert wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:04 pm After the 2016 election a lot of people on the left became more concerned about safety, especially women and minorities. Haven't seen a national analysis but I suspect that after each violent event like Pulse Nightclub and Charlottesville concealed carry licenses applications go up in states. Good OPB article, Ross posts here.
Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
8Any publicity is good publicity. Well, maybe.
It is true that if somebody gets in your face and you show you're armed they'll quickly back off--unless they're armed. If they're armed legally--that is, holding a state CCW--it is not likely they'd've gotten in your face in the first place. Srsly. That means 99 out of 100 folks who get in your face will not be armed. So, get armed, and open your coat to show. The chicken shits will piss themselves and bail.
That being said, I don't think there's enough of the "shooting stuff is fun" aspect in the article. I hope the radio spot will show that more.
But still, getting the cleaning mat out there with our name is good. Self defense is real and valid.
CDFingers
It is true that if somebody gets in your face and you show you're armed they'll quickly back off--unless they're armed. If they're armed legally--that is, holding a state CCW--it is not likely they'd've gotten in your face in the first place. Srsly. That means 99 out of 100 folks who get in your face will not be armed. So, get armed, and open your coat to show. The chicken shits will piss themselves and bail.
That being said, I don't think there's enough of the "shooting stuff is fun" aspect in the article. I hope the radio spot will show that more.
But still, getting the cleaning mat out there with our name is good. Self defense is real and valid.
CDFingers
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like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack
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Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
9I don't know that I agree with brandishing. No one needs to know I'm armed until they've earned a bullet, then they can find out. And even still, I'm doing whatever I can to get out of that situation before it comes to self defense.CDFingers wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:03 pm Any publicity is good publicity. Well, maybe.
It is true that if somebody gets in your face and you show you're armed they'll quickly back off--unless they're armed. If they're armed legally--that is, holding a state CCW--it is not likely they'd've gotten in your face in the first place. Srsly. That means 99 out of 100 folks who get in your face will not be armed. So, get armed, and open your coat to show. The chicken shits will piss themselves and bail.
That being said, I don't think there's enough of the "shooting stuff is fun" aspect in the article. I hope the radio spot will show that more.
But still, getting the cleaning mat out there with our name is good. Self defense is real and valid.
CDFingers
Re: NPR Oregon - Leftists bear arms in self defense
10I don't think everyone who gets in my face needs to be shot. But I do want them to know they could be shot if they cross a line. I see it as a defensive gun use.Bang wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:17 amI don't know that I agree with brandishing. No one needs to know I'm armed until they've earned a bullet, then they can find out. And even still, I'm doing whatever I can to get out of that situation before it comes to self defense.CDFingers wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:03 pm Any publicity is good publicity. Well, maybe.
It is true that if somebody gets in your face and you show you're armed they'll quickly back off--unless they're armed. If they're armed legally--that is, holding a state CCW--it is not likely they'd've gotten in your face in the first place. Srsly. That means 99 out of 100 folks who get in your face will not be armed. So, get armed, and open your coat to show. The chicken shits will piss themselves and bail.
That being said, I don't think there's enough of the "shooting stuff is fun" aspect in the article. I hope the radio spot will show that more.
But still, getting the cleaning mat out there with our name is good. Self defense is real and valid.
CDFingers
CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack
Re: Oregon Public Broadcasting - Leftists bear arms in self defense
11It's always tough dealing with the media because you can work on a story but you don't have editorial control of where it goes. It was a good segment and good PR for the club. In OR it appears you have one public radio station around the state, in CA we have many. One station has advantages but so do multiple stations because they carry different programs. I mainly listen to the NPR stations out of Santa Monica and San Diego but if I'm farther afield I can pick up the stations in Pasadena, San Bernardino and Orange County.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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12I'm not sure that is sound legal advice. If you brandish a legally carried firearm at people because they "get in your face", you may not be legally carrying that firearm for long.CDFingers wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:14 amI don't think everyone who gets in my face needs to be shot. But I do want them to know they could be shot if they cross a line. I see it as a defensive gun use.Bang wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:17 am
I don't know that I agree with brandishing. No one needs to know I'm armed until they've earned a bullet, then they can find out. And even still, I'm doing whatever I can to get out of that situation before it comes to self defense.
CDFingers
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13Great coverage of Ross- he does good stuff in this area; I'm also one who carries because of the rise of the extreme right. As a side note, labels are a curious thing: I never used to hear the term 'leftist' but now I do frequently. I don't really know what that means. I used to know what a conservative believed in, and I'm quite sure I don't recognize most who currently claim to be conservative. I know a lot of folks who are or were formerly registered Dem but who have come to believe that our economic system is off the rails and benefitting primarily the very wealthy. That's not leftist to me.
I digress.
I'm a little disappointed in the bit about the LGC, though it did have a sweet picture of LGC swag and some neat pistols. (Dig the Astra 400 there, in 9mm Largo. Spanish Civil war era, that, and it was a tack-driver. ) We had a lot of LGC members there, but it seems only the non members got most of the attention. Note: The most extreme-looking persons in the group don't necessarily have the most interesting stories to tell. (and I think that is also true of much of the media coverage of gun shows)
Still, good to see the LGC in the news. It would be nice to have a follow-up story of some of our members, what they shoot, why they shoot, and how we differ from our anti-gun friends on the left.
I digress.
I'm a little disappointed in the bit about the LGC, though it did have a sweet picture of LGC swag and some neat pistols. (Dig the Astra 400 there, in 9mm Largo. Spanish Civil war era, that, and it was a tack-driver. ) We had a lot of LGC members there, but it seems only the non members got most of the attention. Note: The most extreme-looking persons in the group don't necessarily have the most interesting stories to tell. (and I think that is also true of much of the media coverage of gun shows)
Still, good to see the LGC in the news. It would be nice to have a follow-up story of some of our members, what they shoot, why they shoot, and how we differ from our anti-gun friends on the left.
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14I strongly recommend books like Ayoob’s Understanding Your Right to Self Defense and the better The Law of Self Defense by Andrew Branca and ongoing careful thought about the law of self defense and how best to comply with it. Brandishing is serious business and the criteria for it are high, higher than someone being in one’s face, I’d say.Mustang wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:29 pmI'm not sure that is sound legal advice. I you brandish a legally carried firearm at people because they "get in your face", you may not be legally carrying that firearm for long.CDFingers wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:14 amI don't think everyone who gets in my face needs to be shot. But I do want them to know they could be shot if they cross a line. I see it as a defensive gun use.Bang wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:17 am
I don't know that I agree with brandishing. No one needs to know I'm armed until they've earned a bullet, then they can find out. And even still, I'm doing whatever I can to get out of that situation before it comes to self defense.
CDFingers
I carried for years with a permit in Va. have applied to carry here. And, I practiced law for over a decade though I’m not actively licensed or practicing anywhere right now. I’m just one citizen among others. But as armed citizens we have great responsibilities and ongoing self education and analysis is one of them. Or, so I believe.
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Re: Oregon Public Broadcasting - Leftists bear arms in self defense
15The only time I ever brandished I did so because one guy had a steel pipe in his hand and was about to bash another guy's head. I pointed my gun at the first guy and told him to drop the pipe and leave. He did. Regardless of whether that was legally "brandishing" I call that a successful defensive gun use.
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16I might add that any allegation of Brandishing on the part of a CC permit holder, whether prosecuted criminally or not, will frequently result in a short investigation by the issuing department, followed by a quick revocation if there is any hint that the CC permit holder brandished the firearm inappropriately.
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17That seems like a reasonable defense of others situation, fraught as those can be. Reasonable to view a pipe to the head as an imminent threat of lethal force.Eris wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:46 pm The only time I ever brandished I did so because one guy had a steel pipe in his hand and was about to bash another guy's head. I pointed my gun at the first guy and told him to drop the pipe and leave. He did. Regardless of whether that was legally "brandishing" I call that a successful defensive gun use.
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18It auto publishes to LGC.HuckleberryFun wrote:I read Ross’ blog. Ross, update your blog! We want to read more!highdesert wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:04 pm After the 2016 election a lot of people on the left became more concerned about safety, especially women and minorities. Haven't seen a national analysis but I suspect that after each violent event like Pulse Nightclub and Charlottesville concealed carry licenses applications go up in states. Good OPB article, Ross posts here.
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19Good article.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi
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20Reasonable action given your knowledge of the situation. You probably saved him from death or grievous bodily injury. Defending others that you don't know can be more risky as you don't know the full story of what lead up to that moment.RapidButterfly wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:54 pmThat seems like a reasonable defense of others situation, fraught as those can be. Reasonable to view a pipe to the head as an imminent threat of lethal force.Eris wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:46 pm The only time I ever brandished I did so because one guy had a steel pipe in his hand and was about to bash another guy's head. I pointed my gun at the first guy and told him to drop the pipe and leave. He did. Regardless of whether that was legally "brandishing" I call that a successful defensive gun use.
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21Agreed. A spate of cases, punctuated recently by the death of Mr. Bradford in Alabama, suggest extreme caution about getting involved in situations where you go to the defense of others when you haven’t seen the whole situation unfold (or even if you have). But Eris’ situation seems pretty clear cut.
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22Yeah, mine was very clear cut. It was two friends of my brother in law, one of whom I knew fairly well, and they'd been arguing and fighting for a few minutes before it escalated to the point of danger.RapidButterfly wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:04 am Agreed. A spate of cases, punctuated recently by the death of Mr. Bradford in Alabama, suggest extreme caution about getting involved in situations where you go to the defense of others when you haven’t seen the whole situation unfold (or even if you have). But Eris’ situation seems pretty clear cut.
106+ recreational uses of firearms
1 defensive use
0 people injured
0 people killed
1 defensive use
0 people injured
0 people killed
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23I agree with the cautions about brandishing. Still, I would wonder after the point of carrying if you couldn't say 'back off' by like having a red hour glass on your belly or what not.
CDFingers
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24The Old Black Widow tactic,CDFingers wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:44 am I agree with the cautions about brandishing. Still, I would wonder after the point of carrying if you couldn't say 'back off' by like having a red hour glass on your belly or what not.
CDFingers
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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25I just brandish my pip-boy (sorry, video game reference, Fallout, which has a Black Widow perk for female characters)
Edited because I just can’t seem to type accurately on this forum
Edited because I just can’t seem to type accurately on this forum
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