Re: Western liberal militia?
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For those that feel that readying for a civil war with firearms training is the equivalent of preparedness, I’d like to point out the obvious fly in the ointment of your plans. Are you expecting the other side to wear grey uniforms and fly ‘ol Dixie?UnderNoPretext wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:27 amHi. I'm another suspect new member here. My best guess is that Liberals need to get ready, or else they are going to get caught with their pants down. I really, really hope I'm wrong.ElectricSailboats wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:04 pmWhat I see transpiring in 2-3 months time is not pretty.
I keep saying, get to know your neighbors in all manner. Bisbee and others have pointed out, if we ever have such a disaster, there will be no uniforms. Or likely, they will dress exactly like you. It would be small groups and likely no overall coordination with any main group. The only likely organized groups would be breakaway military groups from our armed forces if everything really went to pot. And if that happened you’d likely see foreign militaries take interest in our troubles. None of that sounds appealing nor are we there yet. For whatever happens November to January, it’s too late to do anything but make sure your neighborhoods are ready if natural disasters or miscellaneous local events occur.Bisbee wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:08 pmFor those that feel that readying for a civil war with firearms training is the equivalent of preparedness, I’d like to point out the obvious fly in the ointment of your plans. Are you expecting the other side to wear grey uniforms and fly ‘ol Dixie?UnderNoPretext wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:27 amHi. I'm another suspect new member here. My best guess is that Liberals need to get ready, or else they are going to get caught with their pants down. I really, really hope I'm wrong.ElectricSailboats wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:04 pmWhat I see transpiring in 2-3 months time is not pretty.
If not, just how are you going to identify who to shoot? How can you be sure the ones firing at you ain’t just someone thinking you were shooting at them first?
Just like any number of demonstration we’ve seen where guns are drawn and bullets start flying, how is anyone supposed to know they aren’t shooting a friendly or truly taking out a bad guy? It would be a klustrfck pure and simple and that is no way to fight or win a civil war. The best you could hope for is a stalemate until a strongman breaks the impasse. In short, if it gets that bad where you are defending yourself with a gun I believe we’ve already lost.
Democracy depends on a working system of rule of law with participants that agree to work together even when they don’t agree on anything other than the value of human life.
Right now is the time to figure out what you are willing to fight (and die) for and start working to defend those values. Before society degrades to the point where rule of law loses its value.
Preparing for armed conflict against white nationalists by forming a militia is a fools errand.
The right believes that they will prevail in a war, and there are some, like this guy:ElectricSailboats wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:08 pm All those NRA conservative types always talk about the 2nd half of 2A, particularly the language about the right to bear arms will not be infringed.
But to me, the most important words are "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state"
I am worried that conservative miltia groups are preparing for action against our US Constitution should a crisis related to the election arise this fall.
My question is is there any liberal militia on the west coast somewhere that I can join and train with so that we can protect the sanctity of our US Constitution and the security of a free state in the United States of America?
My hope is that showing strength prevents chaos and violence against Americans and the freedoms and democracy that our Constitution protects.
Thank you
Yup. This is how you look playing those games, and this is when it's age-appropriate:Wino wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:14 am I don't give two shits for any militia - right or left wing. My feelings for them is same as I feel about open carry.
From my favorite book of fables: "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."
I quit playing cowboys and indians, cops and robbers and war games about 12/13 YO. Militias and OC are just extensions of a juvenile IMHO.
↑Wino wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:14 am I quit playing cowboys and indians, cops and robbers and war games about 12/13 YO. Militias and OC are just extensions of a juvenile IMHO.
The very same thinking speaks to the reason people stage for home defense, have CCW, prep, get involved in a neighborhood watch, or form loosely-knit trusted networks. Your focus is on your own readiness, not what some unhinged fringe hate group is shouting about.Sun Tsu wrote:The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of your enemy not coming, but on your own readiness to receive your enemy; not on the chance of your enemy not attacking, but rather on the fact that you have made your position unassailable.
Exactly. And I would hazard to guess that's because we aren't subject to group-think, at least not in that way. Sometimes, that can work against us because it's like herding cats.Bisbee wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:22 am Being prepared, for Liberals, appear to be more on an individual basis. There is little benefit for most people to “defeat the enemy” and more benefit to just convince the bad guy(s) it is too costly to continue attacking their target by pulling a weapon in self defense.
Maybe cosplay isn't exactly the right term, but we all know what we're getting at here: let's play dress-up to intimidate and scare the uninitiated. It's also like Crow put it: LARPers dressed tacti-cliché fashions, gathering in angry, frustrated packs, and 'oiling their guns' together. It's kind of in-group ego stroking.Bisbee wrote:The cosplay you refer to implies some group effort to secure some property or whatever. It implies and offensive effort and it is too optimistic. Funny you mention that term because it is indeed fantasy that militia-members are engaged in.
Agreed! Well said. Also, I'm stealing Dollar Menu Dictator. Brilliant!!Crow wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:16 am I really dislike these LARPing assholes with their open carry, their ill-fitting "tactical" gear, and their slavish devotion to the Dollar Menu Dictator. I also think this type of preening, fratty bravado actually puts "militia" types in more danger. John Lovell had a good point about this a while back... why wear "GunMag Warehouse" shirts, or put pro-gun stickers on your penile compensation truck, or carry a tac-pack covered in dumbass morale patches? Why take your AR to Starbucks? These actions just make you the most visible target, the one who's most likely to be attacked, or most likely to be blamed for an attack. Smart folks stay low-profile; they let their training and preparedness speak firmly when needed, and then only in assistance of others, not in provocation. I don't always agree with John Lovell, obviously, but here I think he is correct. These militia guys are mall ninja fascists looking for (and looking like) trouble. Fuck them and fuck their fuhrer.
Crow
The correct term is "Cosplaytriot"....Outpost716 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:21 pmMaybe cosplay isn't exactly the right term, but we all know what we're getting at here: let's play dress-up to intimidate and scare the uninitiated. It's also like Crow put it: LARPers dressed tacti-cliché fashions, gathering in angry, frustrated packs, and 'oiling their guns' together. It's kind of in-group ego stroking.
Wow, another term! I'm adopting that one, too. And that meme kinda hits the nail right on the freakin' head.SailDesign wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:28 pmThe correct term is "Cosplaytriot"....Outpost716 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:21 pmMaybe cosplay isn't exactly the right term, but we all know what we're getting at here: let's play dress-up to intimidate and scare the uninitiated. It's also like Crow put it: LARPers dressed tacti-cliché fashions, gathering in angry, frustrated packs, and 'oiling their guns' together. It's kind of in-group ego stroking.
The really important part comes just after the 9-minute mark, when Asst. Professor Belew gives us a quick dive into the historical role of militias. TLDR (ICYMI, history class): militias became part of the States' National Guards, so, these modern day private "militias" are not only illegitimate, but illegal.NPR wrote:The FBI announced Thursday that it had thwarted a plan by far-right militia members to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and charged six men in relation to the plot.
The plot began as talk on social media sites, with a group of men gathering on Facebook to share anti-government reaction to Whitmer's coronavirus restrictions and shutdowns.
Experts say the pandemic, protests, and the words of the president have combined to fuel a rise in right-wing extremism. Cynthia Miller-Idriss, a professor at American University who tracks right-wing extremism, spoke to NPR about how right-wing recruiters are taking advantage of President Trump's hesitancy to condemn white supremacy and militia groups.
And while these men have been referred to as members of a "militia," that term has also resurfaced a debate about whether groups like this should actually be referred to as domestic terrorist groups, says Kathleen Belew, an assistant professor of history at the University of Chicago who studies paramilitary and white power groups.
I have a whole outfit for that! I don't ride my bike enough, so the jersey is pristine. Cap and socks get used IRL. The cap is my standard get-up at the shootin' range, and pretty much every other situation as well. Bike caps wear out pretty fast, so I've burned through several of these over the years.
Both have their merits! I hadn't heard "tacti-cliche" before. I'll look forward to a chance to use it in conversation.SpaceRanger42 wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:59 am I am also fond of the phrase tacti-cliche, thank you to whomever coined that one. It sounds so much more haughty than tacti-cool.
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