Split in Republican party can only mean good things for us

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Disarray and confusion in the Republican party SHOULD only benefit the sane people in America. So to the MTG's, Bobert's and McCarthy's of the world...Keep it up! Double down on the crazy, its' totally working for you.


Sadly the reality is...playing to the crazy has been legendarily good for raising money. My hope is, they'll raise all that money and still lose.
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Disagree. For Democrats, writ large, probably true. The Crazy is likely to drive moderates and people who aren't politics-junkies toward Ds, at least those Ds who aren't literally shouting "DEFUND THE POLICE," which isn't exactly an appeal to moderates. (I'm more of a specific "defund SWAT and train de-escalation" guy, to be clear, with a hearty dash of "neuter the police unions" on top.)

For "us," I read "liberal firearms enthusiasts." 'Cause, you know, LGC forum. The withering of any center-right opposition party means nothing good for gun owners. Very few D pols are willing or able to take a cafeteria approach to gun issues. Most of them, and most of their voting bases, are all in for stuff "we" mostly won't like.
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There were splinter groups during the 2020 election like the Lincoln Project and prominent Republicans who rejected Trump like former Weekly Standard editor in chief Bill Kristol, but they've faded since the election. I thought that January 6th might trigger a more open split, but it hasn't and at this time I think their focus is on 2022 so they won't rock the boat. After Democrats big House win in the 2018 midterm election, they lost big in 2020 in spite of winning the White House and Republicans smell blood. A big question is how much control Trump is allowed over the RNC and in selection of 2020 candidates especially if Ronna McDaniel resigns to run for Michigan governor.
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They have become victims of their own rhetoric. They're making lawmakers actually DO all the dipshit things they talk about.

I see what is happening with the GOP as inevitable. People were talking violence and revolution the day Obama was elected, so there's absolutely nothing new going on, other than the crazies have more representation in Washington.

What I'm hoping for is... The majority of American's will continue to reject the crazy. If that's the case, then them doubling down on the crazy plays right into the hands of the D's.

I think the Right is crazier than most think. I think we're in for a lot of homegrown terrorism over the next 20-40 years as the "Anglo-Saxon Values" crowd loses more and more power, and slip into irrelevance. They're not going without a fight.
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Just remember that most, single leader, authoritarian parties has a period of cleansing themselves, of the not quite true believers in the leader and those that didn't represent the values of the leader.

Best case in point as usual the Nazi party, with the removal of the Socialist wing and the homosexual Ernst Rohm Brown Shirts leaders, the Rohm Purge or Night of the Long Knives. Also the Purges of Stalin in the 1930s and Chairman Mao's Purge or Cultural Revolution of 1966-1976. Among many others in Chile, Cambodia, Myanmar to name just a few.
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A couple things here--and we're gun people.

Sure, Repubs breaking into two formal factions and duking it out for eight or ten years is the silicone cloth on my freshly-cleaned GP100. Dems win big. Rah.

Not so fast. We have to come up with a fertile narrative to protect gun rights that's not "Kill da wabbit" or "Kill da bad guy." Those are already totally done to death and provide no fertile ground for any ideas.

Competition. Americans love competition. "Shooting stuff is fun."

If we show "a target is a target" we'll get the shoot-em-ups along with the fun seekers.

The best way to control a narrative is to invent it--especially when the competitions already exist.

Competition is pretty benign, yet really appeals to capitalists. Moreover, "a target is a target" gets most of the rest. Our task is to get them to vote, these closet shooters and competitors.

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FrontSight wrote:They have become victims of their own rhetoric. They're making lawmakers actually DO all the dipshit things they talk about.

I see what is happening with the GOP as inevitable. People were talking violence and revolution the day Obama was elected, so there's absolutely nothing new going on, other than the crazies have more representation in Washington.

What I'm hoping for is... The majority of American's will continue to reject the crazy. If that's the case, then them doubling down on the crazy plays right into the hands of the D's.

I think the Right is crazier than most think. I think we're in for a lot of homegrown terrorism over the next 20-40 years as the "Anglo-Saxon Values" crowd loses more and more power, and slip into irrelevance. They're not going without a fight.
I think this is spot on analysis, front sight.

I think we are going to have a major issue with right wing political violence. ...but I’m actually less concerned about that —- it plays into a centrist message if the dems can stay the course and just be the “not crazy alternative” for Americans.

What I do think is an existential crisis for our system is the vote suppression efforts that will keep even a kooky, rejected by 60% - Republican minority , authoritarian, rule in power. The next time they get within striking distance of the White House they aren’t letting it go, US constitution be damned.

The democrats need to put that first and foremost, and I don’t see them doing it.


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The real immediate threat I see right now is the "Sanctuary Movement"; the idea being marketed that it's acceptable to simply decide what Federal Laws you will accept and what Federal Laws you can just reject.

There is a difference between individual protests; sitting in the front of the bus, marching across the bridge, eating at the counter, sheltering a runaway slave and a State or County or City government saying that they will simply refuse to obey a law originating at a higher political level. Cities cannot decide to NOT obey County Ordinances or Laws. Counties cannot decide to NOT obey State Ordinances or Laws. States cannot decide to NOT obey Federal Ordinances or Laws.

If the Sanctuary Movement, whether it is 2A or Immigration or Drug enforcement continues then our whole legal system, the idea that we are a Nation under the Law is threatened.
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Eh, IANAL, but my understanding of the whole sanctuary thing is that everyone understands the federal laws are still on the books, they still apply, and the Feds can come in and enforce them. Claiming sanctuary status is simply a statement that local authorities will neither enforce the federal laws themselves, nor assist the Feds beyond the absolute minimum necessary. That's hardly novel. We've been doing it for marijuana since the first waves of decriminalization decades ago. It's not a threat.

Storming capitals with long guns, threatening elected officials, and propping up conspiracy theories at the top ranks? That is. I'm just glad they won't mask up.

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I'd rather see anti-turd republicans vote democratic than not vote at all or to split into a third party as I fear a three way election would fall in turds favor. When 74M voted for this POS a second time knowing he was a scumbag would mean the other candidates will split 84M or so votes. A third party bodes ill and evil.
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Wino wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:57 am I'd rather see anti-turd republicans vote democratic than not vote at all or to split into a third party as I fear a three way election would fall in turds favor. When 74M voted for this POS a second time knowing he was a scumbag would mean the other candidates will split 84M or so votes. A third party bodes ill and evil.
Consider that out of the 74M that voted for the POS a large number were Republicans tat refused to vote for Biden or any Dem. But, they would vote for another so called Republican. We could see the 74M split between the POS Republicans and the True Conservative Republicans. This would also deprive the POS Republican of major money as the likes of ALEC, Heritage and other big contributors would shift to the new wing of the GOP.
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INVICTVS138 wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 10:16 pm I think this is spot on analysis, front sight.

I think we are going to have a major issue with right wing political violence. ...but I’m actually less concerned about that —- it plays into a centrist message if the dems can stay the course and just be the “not crazy alternative” for Americans.

What I do think is an existential crisis for our system is the vote suppression efforts that will keep even a kooky, rejected by 60% - Republican minority , authoritarian, rule in power. The next time they get within striking distance of the White House they aren’t letting it go, US constitution be damned.

The democrats need to put that first and foremost, and I don’t see them doing it.


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Yeah, that's something that keeps me up at night.

Here's another scenario I've been thinking about...

So republicans are doubling down on the crazy; okay. Over the next 4-6 years that should translate to a lot of lost elections right? But what if it turns out to be a winning strategy? What if America decides... I think I like Fascism? What if they pick up seats in the house at the mid-terms. What if they win the presidency in 2024? That's a truly frightening scenario.

In that case, either the US is on the road to just becoming a fascist nation...or it's civil war.

Now I see that scenario as about 90% unlikely, and about 10% plausible. If by chance this does happen, I'll be moving to a blue state so fast all you'll see in Nevada are smoking boot prints where I once stood. I don't want to be caught behind enemy lines.
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It’s one thing to be conscious and aware of the dangers which may be coming down the road. It’s another to fixate on the potholes and curves and steer straight into them as we proceed. My point is that as a group we should be focusing on what our own strategies and agendas for solving social ills rather than let the crazies suck the oxygen from the room. They can only do what they do reactively. We have a choice what we focus on.

Stay conscious of what you think about and how much time you devote to each subject.
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TrueTexan wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 3:39 pm Just remember that most, single leader, authoritarian parties has a period of cleansing themselves, of the not quite true believers in the leader and those that didn't represent the values of the leader.

Best case in point as usual the Nazi party, with the removal of the Socialist wing and the homosexual Ernst Rohm Brown Shirts leaders, the Rohm Purge or Night of the Long Knives. Also the Purges of Stalin in the 1930s and Chairman Mao's Purge or Cultural Revolution of 1966-1976. Among many others in Chile, Cambodia, Myanmar to name just a few.
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Buck13 wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 12:58 pm Disagree. For Democrats, writ large, probably true. The Crazy is likely to drive moderates and people who aren't politics-junkies toward Ds, at least those Ds who aren't literally shouting "DEFUND THE POLICE," which isn't exactly an appeal to moderates. (I'm more of a specific "defund SWAT and train de-escalation" guy, to be clear, with a hearty dash of "neuter the police unions" on top.)

For "us," I read "liberal firearms enthusiasts." 'Cause, you know, LGC forum. The withering of any center-right opposition party means nothing good for gun owners. Very few D pols are willing or able to take a cafeteria approach to gun issues. Most of them, and most of their voting bases, are all in for stuff "we" mostly won't like.
If the "D's" weren't so terminally stupid and adjusted themselves to a center-left position they could own power for a long time and do major goodwill as the swing voters are not all-in on being too progressive too fast, so it comes down to...

...getting and holding power needs to be the first goal regardless of ideology, and that requires a more moderate approach to gain the many disenfranchised center-right republicons that have been created thanks to TFG.

But alas, the war within the "D's" will likely heat up too splitting their vote as well, just as it did in 2016, which leaves the door open for TFG and his Nazi followers to mount a comeback.

Note that TFG of course is/was a total moron, but the next Nazi leader might not be, and that one will be a lot harder to overcome...

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Bisbee wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 2:14 pm It’s one thing to be conscious and aware of the dangers which may be coming down the road. It’s another to fixate on the potholes and curves and steer straight into them as we proceed. My point is that as a group we should be focusing on what our own strategies and agendas for solving social ills rather than let the crazies suck the oxygen from the room. They can only do what they do reactively. We have a choice what we focus on.

Stay conscious of what you think about and how much time you devote to each subject.
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Now's not the time to be splitting the democratic vote as in Green Party etc. This will only allow crazy man back in office. I've been a democrat all my life cept for one year that I regret. No other party besides dem or republican can win the presidency.
The idea that the republican party is splitting is nonsense. They will regroup.

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As I said before I thought Republicans might in January, but they're looking at 2022 so staying somewhat united is their priority. Reps and Dems negotiated over the Jan 6th commission and Republicans got almost everything they wanted per Nancy Pelosi, but now the House leaders backed out and McConnell and Thune backed out today. They're afraid of how it would be spun during 2022, they want to spin it themselves.

Yes, Republicans are great at revising their history so they become more acceptable to voters. Unless both parties split into multiple parties, there is no benefit for one to do it. Slowly ranked-choice voting is catching on. In some countries party legislative seats are assigned based on the percentage of received at the last election, not on which party won a particular seats. .
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