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tonguengroover wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:01 am Bloomberg on the brain can be a fatal disease. Your sounding right wing. I hear the cries if Bloomberg from the right an Q all the time on other radical right wing gun forums.its a catcall of fear.
So many billionares . I dont think they influence as many people as you think.
So it's just a coincidence that Biden's gun policy is straight out of every Bloomberg-funded gun group?

You can dismiss me for "sounding right wing", but ultimately, the Dems are the ones who are going to pay for acting like this, not me. Petty insults aren't going to change that.

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Looks like the group of 20 centrist Democrats and Republicans have come up with a basic infrastructure bill that the WH thinks can work. The original bill was bloated, the Democrats added in child and elder care which have ongoing funding needs and aren't infrastructure. Biden was buying Democratic votes and 2022 votes so it looks like those items Democrats will try to pass by reconciliation separate from infrastructure. The 20 centrists "Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), the leaders of the group that also includes Sens. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), John Tester (D-Mont.), Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Mark Warner (D-Va.)."

Hope the centrists and the Senate Parliamentarian checks the bill to make sure Democrats haven't slipped in gun control items. I can't see this same group of senators trying to tackle gun control, the issue is poison for many of those senators.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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sikacz wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:14 pm
sikacz wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:31 pm I guess we will see. I won’t be voting for any dems on the federal level on the mid terms. I will and do vote local. Likewise I will not vote for state level dems that take up bloomie’s positions. I’ve been a democratic delegate on the state level in the past, if they don’t want my f’n vote fine. I won’t cry if the dems lose the house and senate. Likewise in 24 biden won’t get my vote either. He didn’t this time either, blank got my vote. Sure I’m just one vote, but how many like me can the dems afford to piss off and lose. If they took up healthcare, root causes, and a slew of traditional liberal left positions I’d be right on board. This strategy is shortsighted and frankly stupid. I’m not at all convinced that the numbers are worth it. There are plenty of democrats that have guns and hold positions like mine. How many will be disgusted, that is what we are about to see.
I hear ya, but Biden won the popular vote by a lot without you or people like you and your political mindset. So I don't think Biden is going to need your vote anyways.
Besides, Biden will not run next term.
As I mentioned, the alternative is more trumpers and QAnon crazy F'ers. What if dems lose the house, senate and the presidency. Will you not care and continue your one stance vote or will you look at all?
Mine is not a one position, never has been. I’m a left liberal democratic socialist type and biden and the neoliberals have little to offer except they are not republicans or trump. I won’t cry if they lose all of it. Why, because the dems didn’t care to build bridges with those that should be in their camp. Don’t put the blame on me, if you don’t and the dems don’t think they need my vote what f’n reason do I have to care what happens. None.
Not building bridges huh? Wow, thats a stretch.
Redneck Liberal

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CDFingers wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:35 pm I think the Dems ought to battle for every vote, especially ours. A vote's a vote.

CDFingers
They don't seem to care about my vote, either, the way they act, how dismissive they are of anyone who doesn't "tow their line".
tonguengroover wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:01 am Bloomberg on the brain can be a fatal disease. Your sounding right wing. I hear the cries if Bloomberg from the right an Q all the time on other radical right wing gun forums.its a catcall of fear.
So many billionares . I dont think they influence as many people as you think.
You couldn't be more wrong. What happened here in Virginia is exactly what happens when Bloom-boy funds campaigns. The entire Democrat Party here in VA is now anti-2A, including a guy (yes, a Democrat) who used to be for the 2A when he first ran. Now that the Democrats have the State House, Senate, and Governor's office, they're trying to recycle that Clintonista Terry McAwful for a second gubernatorial run (VA is a one-term state). Ugh.
"San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com/ (reloading instruction)
http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/ (podcast)
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senorgrand wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:56 pm Being anti-gun is a great way for corporate dems to look liberal while taking advantage of working folks. DiFi has made a career of it.
Yeah, and White feminists like DiFi are precisely the ones who "call their cousins" (i. e. the police) on people who look like my family when they see "those darkies" in "their" spaces, too. Those types don't want us "colored" folks armed because they're scared shitless of us. They don't want the "mere people" to be able to tell them, "NO" and actually be able to back it up. They're not Liberals and never will be; they're Democrats, and that's a different thing (see Bloom-boy, formerly a Republican, now a Democrat).

Shotgun Joe Biden's the same way. I don't know why some Black folks voted for that racist son-of-a-bitch in the Democratic Primary election instead of, say, Bernie Sanders, who actually put his White butt on the line for safe schooling for Black kids as well as White. Tulsi Gabbard would've been another good choice. Any Black people voting for Shotgun Joe in that Primary definitely voted against their own interests...and I've never been able to figure out why they would.
"San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com/ (reloading instruction)
http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/ (podcast)
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CowboyT wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:56 pm
CDFingers wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:35 pm I think the Dems ought to battle for every vote, especially ours. A vote's a vote.

CDFingers
They don't seem to care about my vote, either, the way they act, how dismissive they are of anyone who doesn't "tow their line".
tonguengroover wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:01 am Bloomberg on the brain can be a fatal disease. Your sounding right wing. I hear the cries if Bloomberg from the right an Q all the time on other radical right wing gun forums.its a catcall of fear.
So many billionares . I dont think they influence as many people as you think.
You couldn't be more wrong. What happened here in Virginia is exactly what happens when Bloom-boy funds campaigns. The entire Democrat Party here in VA is now anti-2A, including a guy (yes, a Democrat) who used to be for the 2A when he first ran. Now that the Democrats have the State House, Senate, and Governor's office, they're trying to recycle that Clintonista Terry McAwful for a second gubernatorial run (VA is a one-term state). Ugh.

Terry McAuliffe appeared to be the deal maker for the Clintons, he had a sleazy reputation. I was surprised the he was initially elected VA governor and he's now back for round two.

Is the Republican candidate a ray of sunshine or a Trumper?
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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McAwful got elected, by a very thin margin, because a right-wing wackjob named Ken Cuccinelli did some political machinations to secure the Republican nomination that year. It's not that even Democrats really "liked" McAwful; it's that Cuccinelli was that bad. I met Cuccinelli once, and he really is an asshole if you're not White/Christian/Conservative and tow that political line. And yeah, he really is a wackjob; like I said, I actually met him. It's the same thing in one of the districts here in VA some years ago; they ran a hard-core, Bible-thumping right-winger in a Liberal-leaning district. Like McAwful, this Democrat likewise won by the thinnest of margins not because he was any good (he's not), but because the Republican running against him was that bad. In both cases, had a reasonable Republican, such as Bob Sarvis, Scott Brown, or similar, been the nominee, that Republican would've won handily.

Now that Glenn Youngkin has won the Republican nomination for VA Governor, I've started to look into him more. He seems to wave the flag for law enforcement, without--that I've seen anyway--being willing to address the abuses against especially people of color by some of those police. He's also apparently a Bible-thumper, according to what he said during the Republican Primary campaign.

The problem here is that the Republican Party in the various counties here in VA tends to be run by what I call the White Evangelical Christian Club. If you're not that, you're apparently not really welcome. No Scott Browns allowed. No Bob Sarvises allowed. Only the Falwell types seem to get Party backing here in VA, kind of like how only anti-2A zealots get Party backing amongst the Democrats. Same disease. And Bloom-boy is oh-too-happy to use his billion$ to further this.
"San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com/ (reloading instruction)
http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/ (podcast)
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senorgrand wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:03 pm ...unless you're a gun owner, then you have a reason to vote dems out of congress next year...
Disagree and this forum is a good example. I'm a gun owner and would rather vote for a cheese sandwich than ANY GOPathetic. Particularly the trumpista lemmings.
'It's the economy, stupid'..'some are staunch single issue voters(guns) but the largest voting block, unaffiliated middle, is not generally. I really doubt 'gun owners' will vote for things that hurt them economically. Would you? A dem talks about UBC..the GOP opponent talks about things that will hurt you economically..seems pretty simple to me.
Some dem introducing or talking about UBC or anything else does not equal a law. Not voting for things that help the guy on main street, that is noticed.

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Unfortunately, I think a lot of gun owners will be turned away from the dems. It makes sense if they don't share the same grim view of the future that I do. My grim view in a nutshell? Thanks for asking, it goes like this: if TFG's party takes over again (a reasonable possibility at this point) you can kiss goodbye a very long list of civil rights, including the second amendment.

Voting against the dems also makes sense if your world view accepts the grim view stated above, but you actually want that to happen. Then your socialist revolution will finally come to fruition in the turmoil that follows. Or whatever revolution you've been pining for.

Of course, voting against the dems also makes since if you think the current political situation is not dire and it's just typical politics as usual--and guys like me are way out in left field. This is actually what I'm hoping for.

And yeah, the dems are making it very easy to vote against them. But like I say, I don't think these are typical political times, so at this point I'd vote for an anti-gun cheese sandwich as long as it gives me the chance to continue to vote.

But others are more optimistic about America right now, so voting against the dems makes more sense to them. And I'm deep down hoping that I've just gone temporarily crazy.

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I see this as normal politics, more dramatic because of Trump. Can't forget the Reagan era which was also very partisan, but agreements were reached like the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act which legalized most undocumented in the US at that time.

Biden's infrastructure bill may be doomed even after the agreement of the 10 centrists - 5 Democratic and 5 Republican senators. Bernie and progressives seem to be pulling out, they want more. They act like they have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, we know they don't.

I'm not a single issue voter but living in a big gun control state, I don't want those same laws on the federal level and that is the Democrats agenda. Republicans have five retirements in the Senate and have the most seats to defend this cycle, but no one is predicting that Democrats will pick up those five seats. We know there are divisions in the Republican Party, but Democrats also have divisions and if progressives again run candidates against Democratic centrists more seats will be lost exactly what happened in some districts in 2020.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm If your just going to vote strictly 2A across the board you might as well just give up your democrat voter ID card.
That assumes that one is a Democrat. I'm a Liberal, not a Democrat, and Democrats haven't been Liberals for quite some time.
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm Proposed gun laws are a nothing burger and all will be shot down by the SC.
Tell that to our brothers and sisters in California, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, and similar gun-restriction states. Even if what you say is true and the SCOTUS does shoot 'em down--and that's a big "IF", given their demonstrated reticence to take 2A cases--it takes years and a whole boatload of attorney's fees to make that happen. Those officials passing these gun-control laws shouldn't be stepping on the rights of their states' or municipalities' citizens in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5xWcV412E

That mindset right there is the problem.
"San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com/ (reloading instruction)
http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/ (podcast)
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CowboyT wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:36 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm If your just going to vote strictly 2A across the board you might as well just give up your democrat voter ID card.
That assumes that one is a Democrat. I'm a Liberal, not a Democrat, and Democrats haven't been Liberals for quite some time.
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm Proposed gun laws are a nothing burger and all will be shot down by the SC.
Tell that to our brothers and sisters in California, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, and similar gun-restriction states. Even if what you say is true and the SCOTUS does shoot 'em down--and that's a big "IF", given their demonstrated reticence to take 2A cases--it takes years and a whole boatload of attorney's fees to make that happen. Those officials passing these gun-control laws shouldn't be stepping on the rights of their states' or municipalities' citizens in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5xWcV412E

That mindset right there is the problem.
Haven't a couple Cali gun laws been walked back just recently?

I'm quite liberal and democrat and all the democrats I know are liberal as fuck.
Redneck Liberal

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tonguengroover wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:17 pm
Haven't a couple Cali gun laws been walked back just recently?

I'm quite liberal and democrat and all the democrats I know are liberal as fuck.
Nope. Every gun law successfully challenge has been overturned by the CA9 en banc panel siding with the state. Some are awaiting that process, but status quo goes to the law staying in place.

I'm liberal as fuck as well, but no longer view myself as a Democrat. I see many things as crucial that the Dems are ignoring in favor of gun control. Gun control shouldn't be anywhere on a liberals list. It is an erosion of civil rights.

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CowboyT wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:56 pm
CDFingers wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:35 pm I think the Dems ought to battle for every vote, especially ours. A vote's a vote.

CDFingers
They don't seem to care about my vote, either, the way they act, how dismissive they are of anyone who doesn't "tow their line".
tonguengroover wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:01 am Bloomberg on the brain can be a fatal disease. Your sounding right wing. I hear the cries if Bloomberg from the right an Q all the time on other radical right wing gun forums.its a catcall of fear.
So many billionares . I dont think they influence as many people as you think.
You couldn't be more wrong. What happened here in Virginia is exactly what happens when Bloom-boy funds campaigns. The entire Democrat Party here in VA is now anti-2A, including a guy (yes, a Democrat) who used to be for the 2A when he first ran. Now that the Democrats have the State House, Senate, and Governor's office, they're trying to recycle that Clintonista Terry McAwful for a second gubernatorial run (VA is a one-term state). Ugh.
Exactly. Bloomberg keeps threatening to primary any pro-gun Dems, and that's a real danger on many levels. Bloomberg is a essentially a Republican, yet he holds a ton of power in the establishment Democratic party, because of his money, which buys influence. It's a huge problem on many levels.

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tonguengroover wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:17 pm
CowboyT wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:36 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm If your just going to vote strictly 2A across the board you might as well just give up your democrat voter ID card.
That assumes that one is a Democrat. I'm a Liberal, not a Democrat, and Democrats haven't been Liberals for quite some time.
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:27 pm Proposed gun laws are a nothing burger and all will be shot down by the SC.
Tell that to our brothers and sisters in California, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, and similar gun-restriction states. Even if what you say is true and the SCOTUS does shoot 'em down--and that's a big "IF", given their demonstrated reticence to take 2A cases--it takes years and a whole boatload of attorney's fees to make that happen. Those officials passing these gun-control laws shouldn't be stepping on the rights of their states' or municipalities' citizens in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5xWcV412E

That mindset right there is the problem.
Haven't a couple Cali gun laws been walked back just recently?

I'm quite liberal and democrat and all the democrats I know are liberal as fuck.
But the Democratic party isn't liberal as fuck... not by a long shot. It never has been. It's center-right and those who are left of center are treated as outsiders.

Remember Tipper Gore's campaign to end free speech in music with the PMRC? That's a huge part of who the Democratic Party is and always has been.

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featureless wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:17 pm
Haven't a couple Cali gun laws been walked back just recently?

I'm quite liberal and democrat and all the democrats I know are liberal as fuck.
Nope. Every gun law successfully challenge has been overturned by the CA9 en banc panel siding with the state. Some are awaiting that process, but status quo goes to the law staying in place.

I'm liberal as fuck as well, but no longer view myself as a Democrat. I see many things as crucial that the Dems are ignoring in favor of gun control. Gun control shouldn't be anywhere on a liberals list. It is an erosion of civil rights.
Thats funny, I swear I read this right here on this site and also mag capacity.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... fight-back
Redneck Liberal

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tonguengroover wrote:
featureless wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:17 pm
Haven't a couple Cali gun laws been walked back just recently?

I'm quite liberal and democrat and all the democrats I know are liberal as fuck.
Nope. Every gun law successfully challenge has been overturned by the CA9 en banc panel siding with the state. Some are awaiting that process, but status quo goes to the law staying in place.

I'm liberal as fuck as well, but no longer view myself as a Democrat. I see many things as crucial that the Dems are ignoring in favor of gun control. Gun control shouldn't be anywhere on a liberals list. It is an erosion of civil rights.
Thats funny, I swear I read this right here on this site and also mag capacity.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... fight-back
Judge Benitez's decision is little more than hype because
1) a stay went in place with the ruling, so nothing has changed for California firearm owners,
2) the decision will be overturned, and
3) even if the decision were not overturned, California simply would ignore the ruling and enforce the ban anyway, litigating in perpetuity, or devise a another way to impose either a ban or a de facto ban.

I'm pretty sure the info about the real impact of the ruling is right in that thread.
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