sikacz wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:10 pm
wings wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:35 pm
sikacz wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:33 am
Universal background checks are only a good idea if the system is open to all and free. Otherwise it’s a way to prevent the poor and disadvantaged from access to guns. So under the current system no thanks. How about a universal background check to vote? Would that be a good idea as well. Perhaps a $15 fee every time you go vote. Would you consider that ok? Perhaps address the underlying causes of violence. Also 21 is an arbitrary age, people vote at 18 and can serve their country. Perhaps voting should be raised to 40, also just as arbitrary.
You have to register to vote.
Think that through. Think that all the way through.
Voter ID? You have to pay to get any of the acceptable forms, and they limit access to those. Voting is absolutely the last right you want to compare to here.
Those are infringements too. Yes, I do want to compare it. If people had to pay each time they vote and prove they are not a danger to others by having a background check for each election then it would be comparable. I show a drivers license for both voting and buying guns, but I have to go through a background check and pay a fee each time for a gun purchase. That doesn’t happen when I vote. So yes, I’ll compare them.
I would invite wings, and those who express a similar sentiment, to think it all the way through Sikacz has a really good point that hasn't really been sufficiently addressed. We're talking about Constitutionally-enumerated rights here, and both voting and keeping/bearing arms are two of them. A right is a right, just as sacrosanct as any other right, hence the word.
As for Voter-ID, I'm all for it, provided that State ID's, including the "REAL-ID" version, are free to the public. If you lose it, then there's a nominal fee, say $10, to replace it...but your first one is free, as are the renewals. If you let it expire, same thing; it's free. If we did State ID's like this, then there shouldn't be a problem.