Democratic Illinois state sen., Cook Cty. sheriff push for ban on unserialized firearms

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‘We’re seeing an explosion:’ Sheriff Tom Dart, state Sen. Jacqueline Collins take aim at ghost guns, propose legislation to ban the untraceable weapons
The new legislation would ban the sale of ghost gun kits immediately and ban any privately assembled firearms unless they are registered with the state and marked with a serial number. The legislation also allows for a six-month grace period to let current ghost gun owners register them.
Once the loophole is closed, a first violation would be a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as a year in jail. Any subsequent offense would be a Class 3 felony, punishable by a prison sentence of five to 10 years.

Dart is partnering on the proposal with Democratic Illinois state Sen. Jacqueline Collins. She was not at the news conference but said in a statement that gun violence is “plaguing Illinois’ Black and brown communities.”
Firearm prohibitionists want to ban the sale of kits, which are not firearms, and ban the possession of frames/receivers that have been printed by private builders.

They are stoking fear about 3D-printed hardware and kit builds by equating them with firearms with defaced serial numbers discovered at crime scenes.
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Re: Democratic Illinois state sen., Cook Cty. sheriff push for ban on unserialized firearms

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In response to an open-records request by the Tribune in late June, the Chicago Police Department said it doesn’t track the number of its confiscated guns that are deemed “ghost guns.” But the department does track the number of guns confiscated that do not have serial numbers — a category that would include ghost guns.

From January through mid-June, Chicago police confiscated 245 guns that did not have serial numbers, which is more than were seized in all of 2020 and each of the four full years before that, according to statistics provided in response to the records request.
Gun rights proponents have dismissed the term “ghost gun” as a political dog whistle used by gun control groups instead of merely referring to the weapons as “undetectable firearms.” At least one gun rights advocacy group has argued there are existing laws — such as the 1988 federal Undetectable Firearms Act — that heavily regulate all firearms, including those deemed “undetectable.”

“There has been a lot of media attention recently regarding so-called ghost guns,” the National Shooting Sports Foundation said on its website. “It is important to note that this term is one created by anti-gun groups and the homemade firearms to which they are referring don’t present a public safety problem.”
More likely, these are guns that had the serial number removed for criminal purposes. The media loves the term ghost guns.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:57 am
In response to an open-records request by the Tribune in late June, the Chicago Police Department said it doesn’t track the number of its confiscated guns that are deemed “ghost guns.” But the department does track the number of guns confiscated that do not have serial numbers — a category that would include ghost guns.

From January through mid-June, Chicago police confiscated 245 guns that did not have serial numbers, which is more than were seized in all of 2020 and each of the four full years before that, according to statistics provided in response to the records request.
Gun rights proponents have dismissed the term “ghost gun” as a political dog whistle used by gun control groups instead of merely referring to the weapons as “undetectable firearms.” At least one gun rights advocacy group has argued there are existing laws — such as the 1988 federal Undetectable Firearms Act — that heavily regulate all firearms, including those deemed “undetectable.”

“There has been a lot of media attention recently regarding so-called ghost guns,” the National Shooting Sports Foundation said on its website. “It is important to note that this term is one created by anti-gun groups and the homemade firearms to which they are referring don’t present a public safety problem.”
More likely, these are guns that had the serial number removed for criminal purposes. The media loves the term ghost guns.
And so do bloomie followers in legislatures.
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lurker wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:29 am i was gonna git summa them undetectable guns but then i couldn't find any.
I don't see what you did there. :blind:
wpkato wrote: Ghost guns are a small fraction of confiscated guns. A proverbial mcguffin and typical political misdirection to make it appear you're tough on guns and crime

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Wait, do I need serial numbers on my Highland lion traps now?

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Article in todays LA Times - LAPD declares ‘ghost guns’ an ‘epidemic,’ citing 400% increase in seizures

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So-called ghost guns are displayed by San Francisco police in 2019.
The weapons typically are made of polymer parts created with 3D printing technology and can be assembled using kits at home. They often are relatively inexpensive. Because they are not made by licensed manufacturers, they lack serial numbers, making them impossible to track.
The LAPD’s analysis was compiled in response to a City Council motion, introduced by Councilmen Paul Koretz and Paul Krekorian, that calls for a new city ordinance banning the possession, sale, purchase, receipt or transportation of such weapons or the “non-serialized, unfinished frames and unfinished receivers” that are used to make them.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom last week signed a new state law enabling law enforcement to seize such weapons under restraining orders related to gun and domestic violence. Newsom previously signed a law requiring the sale of firearm precursor parts to be processed through a licensed vendor, but that law doesn’t take effect until 2024.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... since-2017

24 homicides compared to the total number of murders last year is 7%, far less than the increase in the LA murder rate last year. Politicians and the media need a whipping boy and it's "ghost guns".
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