BKinzey wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:33 pm
Will they need to be "complete"?...
They need to be whatever they were registered as. Each restricted firearm gets its own FRC, (firearm registration certificate). It's a wallet-sized card that includes owner's name, manufacturer, serial number, calibre, and in the case of modular rifles, barrel length. You have to keep it with the firearm.
Here's how it works: If you buy a complete AR you register it as a complete rifle, including calibre and barrel length.
If you buy a lower you register it as just a lower.
If you build (or strip) an AR you have 30 days to notify the RCMP you have done so, and they issue an updated FRC. Most owners who buy stripped lowers just build them and never register them as complete. Say you want to switch between 5.56 and .22LR on a regular basis, you don't want to re-register it every time, right? If they ever get challenged (which I've never even heard of happening), they just need to say they did it <30 days before. There's really no way to prove they didn't.
But the May 1 prohibition order forbids changing the configuration. Not in principle, but because no new FRCs will be issued for anything newly-prohibited. So you can't legally strip a complete AR and surrender just the lower (and like a complete idiot, I re-registered my Anderson lower to a complete rifle. See what you get for being law-abiding?!)
Also... the order also moved complete uppers into the prohib category (even though they aren't serialized). They aren't "prohibited firearms", they are "prohibited devices", like switchblades or 30rd mags. So if you surrender just a lower when your registration says its a complete firearm, they're going to want to know where the upper is. And technically possessing a complete upper after the amnesty ends will be a criminal act, same as owning a prohibited weapon. But incomplete uppers are not prohibited. Individual parts are not (yet) prohibited. I don't want to be the guy to test this in court, but it's arguable if you don't have the flash hider or dust cover attached, it's not complete.
That said, it suddenly occurs to me you could theoretically surrender just a lower and say you had stripped it <30 days before May 1 2020, and sold the upper not knowing it would become a prohibited device. It would be difficult to prove otherwise. But I wouldn't risk it.
The layers of stupid are endless. These appeals have to work. We're royally screwed if they don't.
I hope I'm not boring you folks with so much detail. Take it as "cautionary example". This is what your
antigun legislators what. They're taking notes.
And as an aside, here's a video that outlines the devastating blow this has been to firearm manufacturers and retailers here. Tens of thousands of jobs. Millions in suddenly useless inventory. Small and medium businesses going out of business - and all during a pandemic which has resulted in the highest unemployment rates since the 1930s. A 1.8 billion dollar/yr hunting/shooting industry basically destroyed overnight. The outright disdain for guns and contempt for gun owners and sellers by this government is appalling.
The government made all kinds of noise about how retailers won't be stuck with inventory they can't sell, because they'll be able to return it to the US. They apparently didn't talk to the State Department about that, because, no, they can't return most items. It's a violation of ITAR.
And no, it's not Red Green hosting the video. I thought it was, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vYKfgx ... Ah3xRCN2m1