1911s and Full-length Guide Rods

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My two favorite pistols are both 3" 1911s with full-length guide rods. I have discovered that using a bent paper clip type tool to capture the recoil spring for field stripping is not necessary. I always found it to be an awkward process at best. However, with some care and control of the slide under spring tension, it is much easier and quicker to simply align the slide stop notch, push out the link pin and move the slide forward and off. Reassembly is not an issue without the tool either.
No doubt, others are well ahead of me in this procedure variation, but some may not be aware of it.
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tonguengroover wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:28 pm
I have a problem, with ones I've handled being the grip safety on the back strap. I guess it takes some getting used to as my grip is not as it should be and the damned gun won't go POW.
Are there any without?
I feel ya, TG.
I love my 1911 but I shoot my CZ 9mm a LOT more and use a high "modern" style grip that just doesn't translate to the 1911 very well. From what I understand, the 1911 was meant to be shot one handed and there's actually some cool vintage "training" vids on the proper way to shoot it that were made by the US Army back in the day. You can find these on YouTube.
I don't know if there are 1911s without the grip safety... And I don't know if I'd want one. The charm seems to be in the whole package and its idiosyncrasies. But yeah, if it doesn't go Bang all the time, it might not be the best choice for protection.
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Crow wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:29 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:28 pm
I have a problem, with ones I've handled being the grip safety on the back strap. I guess it takes some getting used to as my grip is not as it should be and the damned gun won't go POW.
Are there any without?
I feel ya, TG.
I love my 1911 but I shoot my CZ 9mm a LOT more and use a high "modern" style grip that just doesn't translate to the 1911 very well. From what I understand, the 1911 was meant to be shot one handed and there's actually some cool vintage "training" vids on the proper way to shoot it that were made by the US Army back in the day. You can find these on YouTube.
I don't know if there are 1911s without the grip safety... And I don't know if I'd want one. The charm seems to be in the whole package and its idiosyncrasies. But yeah, if it doesn't go Bang all the time, it might not be the best choice for protection.
Crow
I heard the Ruger SR 1911 has one that extends further which makes it easier to engage .
Course i cant find one.
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Crow wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:29 pm I don't know if there are 1911s without the grip safety...
Crow
The grip safety is an integral part of the 1911 functional system. Given that the normal carrying mode is cocked and locked with a chambered round, deleting or disabling the grip safety could allow accidental firing.

If you are not engaging the grip safety when ready to pull the trigger, then you have a problem with your grip. A high, tight grip will allow the weapon to fire.
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Visual aesthetics primarily. And the feel good factor of having a bit of tungsten bling on your otherwise stock out of the box 1911 (to make your gun heavier!?!).

You’ll end up looking like a fan-boy at the range trying out the latest “SOCOM edition 1911”... It’s so not you, CD.
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CDFingers wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:35 am I shoot a stock (but for Pachmayr grips) Springfield 1911 A-1, and I wonder what is the advantage to a full length guide rod?

CDFingers
As noted in the first post, it allows for slide removal without messing with the barrel bushing and lessens the possibility of the spring and stock guide rod launching and knocking over your coffee.

One negative is that it makes one hand manual slide operation nearly impossible if not downright awkward.

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papajim2jordan wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:59 pm
CDFingers wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:35 am I shoot a stock (but for Pachmayr grips) Springfield 1911 A-1, and I wonder what is the advantage to a full length guide rod?

CDFingers
As noted in the first post, it allows for slide removal without messing with the barrel bushing and lessens the possibility of the spring and stock guide rod launching and knocking over your coffee.

One negative is that it makes one hand manual slide operation nearly impossible if not downright awkward.
When I read the OP, I wondered if that was the only thing. As an experiment, I waited 740 rounds to clean mine the first time. I didn't have any problem with the rod. It was a bit gritty after that many rounds.

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tonguengroover wrote:
Crow wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:29 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:28 pm
I have a problem, with ones I've handled being the grip safety on the back strap. I guess it takes some getting used to as my grip is not as it should be and the damned gun won't go POW.
Are there any without?
I feel ya, TG.
I love my 1911 but I shoot my CZ 9mm a LOT more and use a high "modern" style grip that just doesn't translate to the 1911 very well. From what I understand, the 1911 was meant to be shot one handed and there's actually some cool vintage "training" vids on the proper way to shoot it that were made by the US Army back in the day. You can find these on YouTube.
I don't know if there are 1911s without the grip safety... And I don't know if I'd want one. The charm seems to be in the whole package and its idiosyncrasies. But yeah, if it doesn't go Bang all the time, it might not be the best choice for protection.
Crow
I heard the Ruger SR 1911 has one that extends further which makes it easier to engage .
Course i cant find one.
I have an SR 1911 Commander. It’s a partial length guide rod & to me easy to field strip by merely depressing the spring end cap and holding it with the thumb while twisting the bushing to align the lugs for disassembly. Very easy and no tools required.


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The full-length guide-rod does serve a functional purpose, but it's fair to question that purpose. They originated as a feature for target competition pistols, and they help to maintain a more consistent relationship between the various bits of the gun. They also can prevent damage to the recoil spring which happens incredibly rarely and usually only in guns that are totally worn out. They provide non-reciprocating weight (though not much) that helps with recoil management.

On a full-sized 1911 they have been found to provide enough benefit to be worth it for competition pistols that will have a high round-count. This competition experience has bled over into 'tactic-cool' pistols because the whole movement was originally inextricably intertwined with IPSC competition. Also in the 1980s compensators became a thing on IPSC pistols, and reliability was enhanced when the weight of these was supported in recoil by a full-length guide-rod (these were not the light-weight comps of today; whey were also barrel-weights that carried the front sight.) For a full-size range-toy/home-defense handgun full-length guide-rods are not particularly necessary.

On short-barreled guns in the 3 to 3-3/4" range they are absolutely vital for spring management. No one really got a sub-compact 1911 working until Detonics combined the bull-barrel with a captured recoil system with a full-length guide rod. In the fullness of time it was discovered that the 'captured' part was optional, but the guide-rod was indispensable. It's just too hard to get the recoils springs to play nice with the short barrel without the guide-rod, particularly since many of these systems use multiple recoil springs.

The Detonics, BTW, does not have a grip safety. It used a full-length mainspring housing; there was no room for a functional grip safety, and it was held to be unnecessary on a dedicated concealed-carry pistol (as opposed to a duty pistol.) The next sub-compact commercial 1911, the Colt I'm-Really-Not-a-Detonics-Ripoff, er, I mean the 'Officer's Model' used a short mainspring housing and a short functional grip safety, which has become the standard way to do it these days.
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papajim2jordan wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 pm The full length guide rod makes this thing a lot easier to disassemble. The original setup required a screwdriver to undo the plug. Barrel / bushing is a now defunct Kings with comp. Aftermarket grip safety has protrusion to help with release. Hole in rod is for a pin to hold the thing together when removing the spring assembly.

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Nifty little blaster! What make, or did you assemble it?

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