California State Assembly passes porn site verification bill.

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The bill still has to get through the state senate and be signed by Newsom into law. If it does then CA joins mostly red states with these restrictions, Texas, Arkansas, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Utah and Virginia.
In a rare show of ideological cooperation between left and right, the California State Assembly has passed a bill requiring adult websites to verify the ages of their visitors. If the Senate agrees and the governor signs the bill, California would join a growing list of mostly conservative states with similar laws on the books. Spearheading the push for the bill: Republican Juan Alanis, a former county sheriff’s sergeant, and Democrat Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, a women’s rights advocate. “This bill is simply about protecting children — and the harmful exposure to increasingly available and increasingly violent sexual material online,” Alanis told colleagues. “It is about the safety of our children. It is about making sure that they learn healthy behaviors,” Bauer-Kahan said.

A total of 80 Assembly members voted for the bill, and none voted “no.” But 15 were listed as not voting. The California measure would require adult sites to take “reasonable steps” to verify that a user is 18 or older. It would also mandate that data collection would ensure a user’s anonymity and not create a record of the user’s online activity. At least eight states have enacted age-verification laws since 2022 — Texas, Arkansas, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Utah and Virginia, and lawmakers have introduced proposals in more than 20 other states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and an analysis from The Associated Press of data from the Plural bill-tracking service. The parent company of one of the largest adult websites, Pornhub, has shut down access to its sites from those states. Pornhub called the Texas law “ineffective, haphazard, and dangerous” in a statement.

Since then, online searches for “Texas VPN” have skyrocketed, according to new data by SlashGear. VPNs, or virtual private networks, allow users to disguise their locations online. Some states’ laws are on hold pending legal appeals. Last month, the U.S Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge to the Texas law. Also last month, Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs vetoed an age verification bill. The European Union has an age-verification law in place, along with technology to enact it. “They have found a way to put the verification of your age on your phone,” Bauer-Kahan said. “A token is sent to the website without your personally identifiable information, and then you, if you’re an adult, can access legal pornography.”
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Personally I think it's another stupid nanny state law. Kids are very smart and will get around it with VPNs or in other ways. Sure give your personal info to a porn company, they'd never sell it. ;) Keep government out of bedrooms and out of computers.
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Indeed. What these sites do is throw up either an age verification thing, or they just do like PornHub does and block your state's IP addresses. Either way, they do it by using IP address geolocation. All you have to do is, for example, run the Tor Browser, and it's unlikely that you'll come out of a Tor node in California.

I grew up in San Francisco during the 1970's and early 1980's, when we as a country were on our way to a somewhat more European outlook on sensuality, including sexuality. They have historically had about 1/10th the unwanted pregnancy and VD/STD rates that we have here. How about, instead, we as a society get back to following that clearly successful European example? I actually lived in Europe for a couple of years and saw how well-balanced people, including children, were over there. They just don't see it as a big deal. What's so bad about being well-balanced like that?
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CowboyT wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 6:17 pm Indeed. What these sites do is throw up either an age verification thing, or they just do like PornHub does and block your state's IP addresses. Either way, they do it by using IP address geolocation. All you have to do is, for example, run the Tor Browser, and it's unlikely that you'll come out of a Tor node in California.

I grew up in San Francisco during the 1970's and early 1980's, when we as a country were on our way to a somewhat more European outlook on sensuality, including sexuality. They have historically had about 1/10th the unwanted pregnancy and VD/STD rates that we have here. How about, instead, we as a society get back to following that clearly successful European example? I actually lived in Europe for a couple of years and saw how well-balanced people, including children, were over there. They just don't see it as a big deal. What's so bad about being well-balanced like that?
Yes, how many decades have we had the Internet and kids have been watching porn all that time and all of a sudden state governments start becoming puritanical. I'm really surprised that the EU got sucked into it. I agree the Scandinavian countries and others like the Netherlands are open about sex and seem to have well adjusted kids. It's like the drinking age of 21 here, which is dumb because teens drink long before that age. 18 is a more realistic age and legally it's the start of adulthood.
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highdesert wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:37 pm Yes, how many decades have we had the Internet and kids have been watching porn all that time and all of a sudden state governments start becoming puritanical. I'm really surprised that the EU got sucked into it. I agree the Scandinavian countries and others like the Netherlands are open about sex and seem to have well adjusted kids. It's like the drinking age of 21 here, which is dumb because teens drink long before that age. 18 is a more realistic age and legally it's the start of adulthood.
We tried that with the 18 Y.O. drinking back when we also allowed them to vote. The problem with the drinking age of 18 was they were also buying it for those under 18 Y.O. since many of the 18 Y.O. were still in High School. I remember the reasoning behind the 18 y.O. being allowed to buy liquor was, "if you are old enough to be drafted and fight for your country then you are old enough to vote and buy liquor."

As for the porn sites and age verification, the under 18 age will find ways of showing they are over 18 Y.O. and still watch porn. It is just a way for the Porn Industry to say we tried to keep it out of the viewing for those under 18. It is just to placate the do gooders that are trying to protect those children from the evils of sex. These are the same ones that don't want any sex education in schools and are banning books from the school libraries that might even mention sex and sexual roles, especially LGBTQ.
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TrueTexan wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:22 am
highdesert wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:37 pm Yes, how many decades have we had the Internet and kids have been watching porn all that time and all of a sudden state governments start becoming puritanical. I'm really surprised that the EU got sucked into it. I agree the Scandinavian countries and others like the Netherlands are open about sex and seem to have well adjusted kids. It's like the drinking age of 21 here, which is dumb because teens drink long before that age. 18 is a more realistic age and legally it's the start of adulthood.
We tried that with the 18 Y.O. drinking back when we also allowed them to vote. The problem with the drinking age of 18 was they were also buying it for those under 18 Y.O. since many of the 18 Y.O. were still in High School. I remember the reasoning behind the 18 y.O. being allowed to buy liquor was, "if you are old enough to be drafted and fight for your country then you are old enough to vote and buy liquor."

As for the porn sites and age verification, the under 18 age will find ways of showing they are over 18 Y.O. and still watch porn. It is just a way for the Porn Industry to say we tried to keep it out of the viewing for those under 18. It is just to placate the do gooders that are trying to protect those children from the evils of sex. These are the same ones that don't want any sex education in schools and are banning books from the school libraries that might even mention sex and sexual roles, especially LGBTQ.
In the red states I'd agree but there aren't many of those types in the CA Assembly, the lower house of the CA legislature. Same mentality though without the bible. The 1984 National Minimum Drinking Age Act tied the drinking age receipt of federal highway funds, it likely had a lot of bible thumpers behind it.

I'm all for sex ed in schools, birth control and condoms for teens...teens will have sex with or without education and training in safe sex. And on the other side lower the drinking age to 18 for beer and wine and raise the driving age to 18, no more learners permits at 14 &15.
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Yup, more of Nanny State California.
Republican Assemblymember Juan Alanis, a former Stanislaus County sheriff’s sergeant, and San Ramon Democrat Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, a women’s rights advocate, may not have a lot in common. But last week they stood on the floor of the California Assembly and persuaded their colleagues to advance legislation that would have California join a handful of conservative states in passing laws requiring pornography sites to verify the ages of visitors to ensure they’re adults.
Joseph Kohm, director of public policy at the Colorado-based Family Policy Alliance, told the Assembly Judiciary Committee last month that children regularly visit online porn sites featuring sexual violence and verbal degredation. “And what this means is that they are learning about sexuality from a perspective that portrays sex as physical abuse,” Kohm told the committee.

Free speech advocates countered that if California enacted the bill, it would stifle the First Amendment rights of adult Californians to access online porn. Members of the porn industry also testified it would reduce traffic to their sites if the restrictions are enacted as they have been in other states. “It’s a customer deterrent,” queer porn performer Jiz Lee told the judiciary committee. “And if it was enacted in California, where a lot of our subscribers are based, it would hurt our business.” Alison Boden, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, a porn industry trade group, told the judiciary committee that less than 1% of pornsite users actually complete the age-verification process in states that have passed the requirement. “What they do, according to our data, is hit the back button and find a site that doesn’t comply with the law,” she said.
Arkansas, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Kentucky have adopted age-verification requirements for porn sites based on “model legislation” from the Center for Renewing America, a conservative activist group, according to the California bill’s legislative analysis. The organization’s website lists its motto as “For God. For Country. For Community.” Last month, Democratic Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs vetoed a similar bill.
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AB 3080 is of course entitled, "The Parent’s Accountability and Child Protection Act" and has 3 Republican sponsors and 1 Democratic sponsor. Can't believe the sheeple in the CA Assembly passed it 65 to 0 and sent it to the CA Senate where it's parked in a committee. Maybe it will die there.
https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB3080/id/2992037
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Wino wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 10:48 am I miss my PornHub ! :thumbdown: :rant: :zorro:
Likely every teen already runs a VPN on their phones and laptops. So take an example from a teen download a VPN . LoL. These laws are idiotic, it doesn’t solve anything and it won’t stop anyone from watching porn. Well perhaps folks that don’t know how easy a VPN is to download and setup.
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Yup, I agree there are free VPNs out there, even people in China use them to be able to read news from sites not controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. A free Opera browser has a VPN built into it.
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Stupid state laws, I hope the CA state senate just lets AB 3080 die in committee.
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