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Can't be any worse than 12th yesterday - my Ubuntu 24.04 took a dump after an up date and I haven't been able to boot it since other than in safe mode with horrible graphics. Going to be a long weekend.
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Wino wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:26 am Can't be any worse than 12th yesterday - my Ubuntu 24.04 took a dump after an up date and I haven't been able to boot it since other than in safe mode with horrible graphics. Going to be a long weekend.
Give Debian 12 a shot if you like Ubuntu. Debian is good luck...even today. And it's not version 13 yet. :-)
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VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:38 pm I have an entire clan of crows that are very interesting and intelligent folk. They have told me that the Friday the 13th thing is a myth and that it's Álfablót that one needs to be careful about.

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Just as a side note, do you mean you have a band of the Crow?
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CowboyT wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:16 pm
Wino wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:26 am Can't be any worse than 12th yesterday - my Ubuntu 24.04 took a dump after an up date and I haven't been able to boot it since other than in safe mode with horrible graphics. Going to be a long weekend.
Give Debian 12 a shot if you like Ubuntu. Debian is good luck...even today. And it's not version 13 yet. :-)
Not all is lost - got it back up running - I just have to be at computer to choose the third boot option when starting - kinda PITA - until I can get an ISO burn to renew install and dump dual boot with windows.
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Wino wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:58 pm
CowboyT wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:16 pm
Wino wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:26 am Can't be any worse than 12th yesterday - my Ubuntu 24.04 took a dump after an up date and I haven't been able to boot it since other than in safe mode with horrible graphics. Going to be a long weekend.
Give Debian 12 a shot if you like Ubuntu. Debian is good luck...even today. And it's not version 13 yet. :-)
Not all is lost - got it back up running - I just have to be at computer to choose the third boot option when starting - kinda PITA - until I can get an ISO burn to renew install and dump dual boot with windows.
I did that just over 20 years ago and went straight GNU/Linux, no dual-boot. Basically, I've had "good luck" on the computer front ever since.

Glad you got it up and running again, though. Right now, that's the main thing.
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Ylatkit wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:30 pm A group of the Crow who can't fly is usually called either a band or a tribe.
Heh...and how! :-)

(Yes, I'm Cherokee, so I can tell that joke--shame I actually have to point that out)

But yeah, a group of the ones who can fly actually is called a "murder" of crows in English. The history of that term amongst Europeans is rather interesting, apparently relating to the crow's so-called "sinister" nature. Not universally true amongst the Native Americans, though.
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I like the murder of crows but I love the one for vultures it is a committee of vultures. Also could for much of our congress critters.
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Eris wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:28 pm
Ylatkit wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:01 pm "What do you call 64 Cherokee in a room?"

"A fullblood."

One of two of my favorite indian jokes.
As someone who is supposedly, but with no actual evidence, 1/16th Cherokee, I get this joke.
{snort}

I will concede that it plays better with an audience that has Inniun blood in them.
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My other one goes like this.

This is the definition of an optimist.

Two white men came over from the old country in 1809. They landed in New York, went through Ellis Island, and ended up on the mean streets of Hell's Kitchen, where they got jobs scrubbing pots. They each made fifty cents a week. Eventually, though, they got tired of scrubbing pots.

Then they heard that out west, in some-fucking-place called California, you could get a bounty of one dollar for every Apache head you produced. Since they were both optimists, they went back to work with renewed fury, got raises, and started saving every penny that they could. After a year and half of scrimping, saving, re-counting their money again and again, another raise, no whiskey and many, many pots, they were able to buy a small used Prairie Schooner and a sway-back, ancient mare to pull it. So finally, they were able to head west.

The journey was epic. This story used to be considerably longer, because it included some of the highlights of their trip, which included running out of water, grizzly bears, snowstorms and a bad case of the clap that they were sure happened either because they didn't pay the hooker or because the hooker was a midget, or because of the night they got drunk and made fun of that gypsy, who promptly cursed them. They never did figure it out, and they never did figure out why both of them caught the clap.

At any rate, eventually, like all trips, it ended, and this one ended because they reached their destination. They came up a little rise, and on a small hill was a sign that said "Welcome to California". Down in a swale on the other side of the sign were three Apache. The two men looked at each other, drew their rifles, and opened fire.

They got two of the Apaches, and the third one got away, although they were sure he was wounded.

So after they finished figuring out how to get the two head separated from the two bodies, they pitched their tent, built their fire, and sat around it congratulating each other. They had been here less than two hours, and they had already made four weeks pay!

The next morning, the first white man to wake up lay in his tent, looking up at the canvas, full of the nice, warm feeling of finally having found a viable path to complete financial security. As he lay in the comfort of his blanket, he heard a small noise, and opened the tent flap and peered out.

And there, from a point three feet in front of the tent to the horizon, for 180 degrees in both directions, standing shoulder to shoulder in utter, ominous silence, was the entire Apache nation. A fire had been started and allowed to burn down to a deep bed of coals, that shimmered in the gentle breeze. A sturdy tripod built of logs stood twenty feet over it, with a rope already fixed to the top. More than a thousand Apache warriors stood there, backed by a thousand Apache women, all waiting patiently, in that deadly, cold silence.

The first white man rolled the tent flap back down, then shook his partner awake.

"Wake up, man, we're going to be rich!"
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

"Touch it, dude!"

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Eris wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:28 pm
Ylatkit wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:01 pm "What do you call 64 Cherokee in a room?"

"A fullblood."

One of two of my favorite indian jokes.
As someone who is supposedly, but with no actual evidence, 1/16th Cherokee, I get this joke.
Having known very few IPs in my life (though, I guess, my younger son, who is 95% Mayan, qualifies), I don't get this joke. Growing up, however, in a NYC suburb, two of my parents, closest, dearest friends, who sat with Dad in his last days, the wife was Cherokee, 100%. Never thought anything about it--she was just Mrs. S. a lovely, lovely woman, RIP.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:58 pm Having known very few IPs in my life (though, I guess, my younger son, who is 95% Mayan, qualifies), I don't get this joke. Growing up, however, in a NYC suburb, two of my parents, closest, dearest friends, who sat with Dad in his last days, the wife was Cherokee, 100%. Never thought anything about it--she was just Mrs. S. a lovely, lovely woman, RIP.
There are a large number of White people who claim, and maybe have some small bit of Cherokee ancestry. The joke was saying that the 64 people were like that and each was 1/64th Cherokee, so together 64 of them add up to one full blooded native.
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The joke is also about the fact that the best way the new American government could find to enforce their new laws was a legal theory usually called the "One Drop" theory. It went that one drop of "other" blood made one an Other, whatever an Other was in the new law under discussion. (Inniuns are not the only race the new government targeted.) So one drop of Cherokee blood anywhere in your family tree made you Cherokee, regardless of any other consideration. (Or one drop made you Black, or Mexican, or whatever. When one writes racist laws, one is forced to perform mental gymnastics to attempt enforcing them. Racist law is never simple, because the fear is not simple.)

The reason it's Cherokee, and not some other random tribe, is that in a ghastly response to some of the first One Drop laws, many tribes and reservation systems, including mine, sat down and defined how much blood it took to be a registered tribal member. My res, the Colville, adopted 1/4 as the least fraction of blood necessary to register as a tribal member in any of the bands on the Colville res. So my son is the last generation that registered as San Poil. Idiots.

"My foot is moving!"
"Shoot it, shoot it!"

Most tribes chose either 1/8 or 1/4, but not the Cherokee. They started with something like 1/64, according to rumor, (which is probably urban legend by this time) and then they changed it to include more people. And then they changed it again. For a while, the joke was that we're all Cherokee, because when they were finished, it wasn't just possible for most folks to register as Cherokee, it was becoming difficult to avoid defining oneself as Cherokee! That's when jokes with punchlines like "The Blue Eyed Cherokee", or "The Blond Cherokee" showed up. (You're not missing anything. Most of the jokes weren't worth writing down, because most of the humor surrounding racism in either direction isn't actually funny. I heard a bunch of them as a young child, without understanding them, but I've forgotten all of them.) I do remember that "He's a blue-eyed Cherokee" used to be an insult, meaning he might be a tribal member, but he's not actually Inniun. (Yes, you're right, that would be me.)

They wanted a bigger tribe, and man, they got it. But in Indian Country, the way they did it is a joke.
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Ylatkit wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:09 pm The joke is also about the fact that the best way the new American government could find to enforce their new laws was a legal theory usually called the "One Drop" theory. It went that one drop of "other" blood made one an Other, whatever an Other was in the new law under discussion. (Inniuns are not the only race the new government targeted.) So one drop of Cherokee blood anywhere in your family tree made you Cherokee, regardless of any other consideration. (Or one drop made you Black, or Mexican, or whatever. When one writes racist laws, one is forced to perform mental gymnastics to attempt enforcing them. Racist law is never simple, because the fear is not simple.)

The reason it's Cherokee, and not some other random tribe, is that in a ghastly response to some of the first One Drop laws, many tribes and reservation systems, including mine, sat down and defined how much blood it took to be a registered tribal member. My res, the Colville, adopted 1/4 as the least fraction of blood necessary to register as a tribal member in any of the bands on the Colville res. So my son is the last generation that registered as San Poil. Idiots.

"My foot is moving!"
"Shoot it, shoot it!"

Most tribes chose either 1/8 or 1/4, but not the Cherokee. They started with something like 1/64, according to rumor, (which is probably urban legend by this time) and then they changed it to include more people. And then they changed it again. For a while, the joke was that we're all Cherokee, because when they were finished, it wasn't just possible for most folks to register as Cherokee, it was becoming difficult to avoid defining oneself as Cherokee! That's when jokes with punchlines like "The Blue Eyed Cherokee", or "The Blond Cherokee" showed up. (You're not missing anything. Most of the jokes weren't worth writing down, because most of the humor surrounding racism in either direction isn't actually funny. I heard a bunch of them as a young child, without understanding them, but I've forgotten all of them.) I do remember that "He's a blue-eyed Cherokee" used to be an insult, meaning he might be a tribal member, but he's not actually Inniun. (Yes, you're right, that would be me.)

They wanted a bigger tribe, and man, they got it. But in Indian Country, the way they did it is a joke.
I know very little beyond the very broad injustices of the reservation system, or about how tribal laws and enforcement works. Of course the "One Drop of Blood" was used to justify Jim Crow, and, of course, miscegenation laws against intermarriage "Touch of the tar brush, you know, old man!" and other such racist crap.

Sorry the joke had to be explained to me--I wondered if it meant something like that.
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