Here's the text. It was suggested that a video accompany it. I am fluffing so far. But when I make it, I'll put it on this thread:

https://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB ... 52#p905752

CDF

There's a twit going round with Harris saying it's fine to come into private homes to check responsible gun ownership. I can't verify it yet, so won't post, but it's consistent with her past messages.

The video exists. In May 2007 in San Francisco when Harris was San Francisco DA at a press conference with Newsom who was the SF mayor, about a safe storage ordinance Newsom signed. Harris helped write the ordinance.

We are going to require responsible behaviors by everyone in the community and just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home, doesn't mean we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible in the way you conduct your affairs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... cisco.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harri ... 49431.html

I guess we'd all best jump off a cliff because a city ordinance is exactly the same as Congress using both Houses without any Senate holds to pass a national law that the president then signs. I am totally holding my breath for the "free beer" law also.

See how silly is irrational fear, and how it short circuits reason?

Let's note this quote from the daily mail rag:

Harris voiced her threat to check on gun owners even after Newsom argued earlier in the press conference that the legislation would not allow law enforcement to knock on everyone's doors to make sure they were following the law.

CDF

CDFingers wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:42 am I guess we'd all best jump off a cliff because a city ordinance is exactly the same as Congress using both Houses without any Senate holds to pass a national law that the president then signs. I am totally holding my breath for the "free beer" law also.

See how silly is irrational fear, and how it short circuits reason?

Let's note this quote from the daily mail rag:

Harris voiced her threat to check on gun owners even after Newsom argued earlier in the press conference that the legislation would not allow law enforcement to knock on everyone's doors to make sure they were following the law.

CDF

Agree to a point. However, facts (logic) show she is on record (a long written one at that) that her finely honed legal belief is that 2A conveys no individual right, counter to the text of the amendment and SCOTUS opinion. And the post above (thanks Highdesert for digging it up) indicates she has no real belief in the 4A either. As we've both agreed in the past, every right for every person is the goal. I'm less than convinced that either of the two candidates moves that ball forward and both will work toward moving it backwards, turn the page and we won't go back notwithstanding.

That isn't a fear based perspective. It is a data based perspective and reality. Yes, reality includes the red side of Congress going along for the ride, I fully recognize that. But propaganda works to change culture and beliefs, note Harris' sudden swing to popularity from her former disapproval/near obscurity that has been entirely media driven. Has she done or accomplished something for that swing or is it manufactured?

It's got to be bullshit. The 4th Amendment won't allow it and the ONE good thing about THIS SCOTUS is they would so rule.

featureless wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:10 am
Agree to a point. However, facts (logic) show she is on record (a long written one at that) that her finely honed legal belief is that 2A conveys no individual right, counter to the text of the amendment and SCOTUS opinion. And the post above (thanks Highdesert for digging it up) indicates she has no real belief in the 4A either. As we've both agreed in the past, every right for every person is the goal. I'm less than convinced that either of the two candidates moves that ball forward and both will work toward moving it backwards, turn the page and we won't go back notwithstanding.

That isn't a fear based perspective. It is a data based perspective and reality. Yes, reality includes the red side of Congress going along for the ride, I fully recognize that. But propaganda works to change culture and beliefs, note Harris' sudden swing to popularity from her former disapproval/near obscurity that has been entirely media driven. Has she done or accomplished something for that swing or is it manufactured?

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VooDoo

featureless wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:10 am

CDFingers wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:42 am I guess we'd all best jump off a cliff because a city ordinance is exactly the same as Congress using both Houses without any Senate holds to pass a national law that the president then signs. I am totally holding my breath for the "free beer" law also.

See how silly is irrational fear, and how it short circuits reason?

Let's note this quote from the daily mail rag:

Harris voiced her threat to check on gun owners even after Newsom argued earlier in the press conference that the legislation would not allow law enforcement to knock on everyone's doors to make sure they were following the law.

CDF

Agree to a point. However, facts (logic) show she is on record (a long written one at that) that her finely honed legal belief is that 2A conveys no individual right, counter to the text of the amendment and SCOTUS opinion. And the post above (thanks Highdesert for digging it up) indicates she has no real belief in the 4A either. As we've both agreed in the past, every right for every person is the goal. I'm less than convinced that either of the two candidates moves that ball forward and both will work toward moving it backwards, turn the page and we won't go back notwithstanding.

That isn't a fear based perspective. It is a data based perspective and reality. Yes, reality includes the red side of Congress going along for the ride, I fully recognize that. But propaganda works to change culture and beliefs, note Harris' sudden swing to popularity from her former disapproval/near obscurity that has been entirely media driven. Has she done or accomplished something for that swing or is it manufactured?

Yes Harris has been trying to remake herself as a moderate, she's always been a progressive but progressives are not popular in national elections . Harris wasn't just enforcing gun laws as AG, she could have walked away from the Peruta case when the San Diego County Sheriff declined to continue fighting against issuing concealed carry licenses. Instead Harris took over the case to keep it going, arguing that there is no right to carry a gun in public. The Bruen case said there is a right to carry in public.

Harris as president could issue executive orders with gun restrictions. During the last three presidential administrations, there have been a deluge of presidential executive orders. E.O.s are issued by presidents without any Congressional approval. Like any law they can be challenged in court.

Is Violating an Executive Order a Crime?

Executive orders are similar to statutes. They are the law of the land, and a violation can mean civil sanctions or criminal penalties.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... crime.html

We have to understand the context. When in San Fran back then, Harris was among liberal friends. As she climbed the ladder she necessarily had to temper what she might want with what might be possible. I put the "free beer" comment in there because wanting something is not the same as having a path to get that thing. And this is why I keep reminding folks of our Senate quirk of the single Senator hold. I do not think she has a clear path to anything beyond UBC at the Federal level. Red Flag, Safe Storage, and hardware bans each have obstacles. As I've said, if the Dems put all four in a single bill, it will fail. Their best bet is to make four separate bills--if they keep the Senate, take the House, and win the presidency. If they do not sweep, they'll be up the Potomac without a rowboat with respect to any gun laws.

on edit:

I agree that the Fourth Amendment would prohibit the entering of houses without a search warrant in the same way the Fourth Amendment prevents red states from finding out if women are seeking certain health care options. Oops.

CDF