https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... story.html

RICHMOND — Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) plans to announce Tuesday that Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry handgun permits from 25 states that have reciprocity agreements with the commonwealth.

“To me, this is a commonsense step that can help make Virginians and our law enforcement officers safer by ensuring that Virginia’s laws on who can and cannot carry a concealed handgun are applied evenly, consistently, and fairly,” he said in a statement provided to The Washington Post.

“Our General Assembly has already identified who can and cannot conceal handguns in Virginia, and we cannot have that decision undermined by recognizing permits from other states with more permissive standards.”

Good luck in 2017, Mark... you're gonna need it.

Damn, DM. Threads started at exactly the same time. I deleted mine. Content below:

Beginning Feb. 1, Virginia will no longer honor the out-of-state concealed handgun carry permits of gun owners from more than two dozen of the states with which the commonwealth currently has reciprocal privileges.

The move, expected to be announced today by Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring, follows an audit conducted by the attorney general’s office and the Virginia State Police pursuant to the state criminal code, which requires both agencies to determine whether reciprocating states “meet the requirements and qualifications” for recognition of their concealed handgun permits

In October, Gov. Terry McAuliffe issued an executive order banning the open carrying of weapons by non-law enforcement personnel in executive branch agencies and buildings.

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/g ... e946e.html
If this happens, it's likely that many of the snubbed states will likewise cancel their reciprocity with VA.

Bloomberg money was a significant factor in election of both McAuliffe and Herring and this is payback. This phase of the disarmament agenda closely follows McAuliffe's meaningless executive order, opposition to which was not as vociferous as feared, emboldening him to take the next step. How much evidence will gun-grabber apologists need to admit that the "slippery slope" in reference to gun control is a reality?

There no rational reason for any of these gun restrictions. There is not a single incident of an out-of-state permit holder misbehaving in VA. There are no incidences of anyone misbehaving with a firearm in VA government buildings.

Jilted states:
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

The following permits will continue to be recognized: West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

Gun control, by any other name, is still, gun control.

Commonsense, the word to use when you run out of excuses.

Read it and understand it.

True that Bloomberg spent lots here, but you have to realize the northern counties are as democratic as can be and would vote for a yellow dog over any Republican. (Also true of counties along the coast and near Bristol. They do tend to make a difference in any general election.)

Also, I thought our CCW rules were pretty darn lax here - gotta wonder just how lax, if at all, those 25 states are. Have to admit i do not know enough.

I think it is a mistake to equate the 2A with CCW, but I agree with the poster who said there appears to be no nexus between out of state permit holders and crime. The thing about common sense is that it is uncommon.

VA's CCW is still good in MO, just like NV who also has no reciprocity agreement with us but offers valid permits.

The CHP regulations they're talking about have nothing to do with training or testing factors - VA is a shall-issue state that accepts online training courses with no live fire requirement - hardly a high standard.

The AG claims there are certain "conditions" like a recent DUI, protection orders, illegal immigration, etc. that are in question. Some of these are already prohibited under fed laws so he has yet to describe which of them are a problem in other states. He hasn't revealed anything about his "study" and I wouldn't be surprised if it's full of bull crap. I don't know anyone who'd think this enhances public safety. If anything, this waste of my taxes will pave the way to new regulations by focusing attention on permissive VA resident CHP permit requirements.

IMO, this has little to do with NOVA voters and almost everything to do with Bloomberg and the wider Democratic anti-2A agenda. 2A and not CHP is the real target.

Support VCDL.

begemot wrote:
There no rational reason for any of these gun restrictions. There is not a single incident of an out-of-state permit holder misbehaving in VA. There are no incidences of anyone misbehaving with a firearm in VA government buildings.

Think of the Children!

begemot wrote:If this happens, it's likely that many of the snubbed states will likewise cancel their reciprocity with VA.

By design. Doubles the win for gun restrictionists.

begemot wrote:Bloomberg money was a significant factor in election of both McAuliffe and Herring and this is payback. This phase of the disarmament agenda closely follows McAuliffe's meaningless executive order, opposition to which was not as vociferous as feared, emboldening him to take the next step. How much evidence will gun-grabber apologists need to admit that the "slippery slope" in reference to gun control is a reality?

There no rational reason for any of these gun restrictions. There is not a single incident of an out-of-state permit holder misbehaving in VA. There are no incidences of anyone misbehaving with a firearm in VA government buildings.

As always, the question to be asked is the following:
What statistically-relevant problem with non-resident conceal carriers having licenses recognized in Virginia is Mark Herring trying to solve?

ErikO wrote:VA's CCW is still good in MO, just like NV who also has no reciprocity agreement with us but offers valid permits.

Well, you guys are a cheap date, seeing how you simply honor all states' permits. This is what the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) will try to do to counteract McAuliffs bullshit.

A bill is going to be introduced in January that will change the law to honor the permits from ALL other states. Period. Last year the same bill cleared the House and was killed in the Senate Finance committee when the State Police lied, saying they would lose money if the bill passed.

Also, we will be going over the results of Herrings “audit" with a fine tooth comb. From the news article, below, I can see what appears to be some major flaws in the audit. This part will be handled in the courts if the full-recognition bill fails.

Dammit! My wife and me have relatives in TN, SC, FL and about the only time I do carry is on the long drives to see them.

begemot wrote:

ErikO wrote:VA's CCW is still good in MO, just like NV who also has no reciprocity agreement with us but offers valid permits.

Well, you guys are a cheap date, seeing how you simply honor all states' permits. This is what the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) will try to do to counteract McAuliffs bullshit.

A bill is going to be introduced in January that will change the law to honor the permits from ALL other states. Period. Last year the same bill cleared the House and was killed in the Senate Finance committee when the State Police lied, saying they would lose money if the bill passed.

Also, we will be going over the results of Herrings “audit" with a fine tooth comb. From the news article, below, I can see what appears to be some major flaws in the audit. This part will be handled in the courts if the full-recognition bill fails.

So the previous bill did not even make it to the governor's desk. If the bill passed this time it would be vetoed by McAuliffe. Also, the courts will rule in favor of disarmament enthusiasts if it comes to that.

nmTom wrote:Read it and understand it.

True that Bloomberg spent lots here, but you have to realize the northern counties are as democratic as can be and would vote for a yellow dog over any Republican. (Also true of counties along the coast and near Bristol. They do tend to make a difference in any general election.)

Until Connelly most of Fairfax was resolutely GOP. Then the GOP put up Cuccinelli in 2006 when Wolf retired, and if you know who I'm talking about you know how bat shit the man is. I had the misfortune to listen to him tell a KoC meeting that he supported the Amendment for banning marriage equality because of various moral reasons, and how it was one step away from bestiality. Bunch of old dudes(including my Dad) nodding in agreement.

All is not lost for the GOP in NOVA, they just need to put up the non-crazies. They don't.

I think it is a mistake to equate the 2A with CCW, but I agree with the poster who said there appears to be no nexus between out of state permit holders and crime. The thing about common sense is that it is uncommon.

I'd say being able to bear arms dovetails into concealed carry.

According to handgunlaws.us and VCDL, the following states will automatically void agreements with VA starting on Feb 1:

Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming

More will likely follow, but we'll see.

begemot wrote:

ErikO wrote:VA's CCW is still good in MO, just like NV who also has no reciprocity agreement with us but offers valid permits.

Well, you guys are a cheap date, seeing how you simply honor all states' permits.

More of a safe haven where VA CCW permits will be good while residency in Missouri can be established.

Every bit as petty as the AG's move, but the legislators kind of have a point. If McAuliffe has a problem with the proletariat carrying, which is what the AG's move is really about, then the proletariat should have a problem with the governor's protection detail carrying. This is one of those opportunities for the legislature to pretend it represents the people.
http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/va-ti ... b7692.html

“A lot of the governor’s power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I’ll be getting with my collegues to circumvent everything this governor has done on this point,” he said. “I have a budget amendment that I’m looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he’s so afraid of guns, then I’m not going to surround him with armed state policemen.”

My guess is those on the authoritarian left would find a way to soak taxpayers for an alternatively-funded protection detail, though.

http://bearingarms.com/va-gop-may-strip ... led-carry/

DispositionMatrix wrote:Every bit as petty as the AG's move, but the legislators kind of have a point. If McAuliffe has a problem with the proletariat carrying, which is what the AG's move is really about, then the proletariat should have a problem with the governor's protection detail carrying. This is one of those opportunities for the legislature to pretend it represents the people.
http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/va-ti ... b7692.html

“A lot of the governor’s power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I’ll be getting with my collegues to circumvent everything this governor has done on this point,” he said. “I have a budget amendment that I’m looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he’s so afraid of guns, then I’m not going to surround him with armed state policemen.”

My guess is those on the authoritarian left would find a way to soak taxpayers for an alternatively-funded protection detail, though.

http://bearingarms.com/va-gop-may-strip ... led-carry/

A petty move and certainly grandstanding. But many here have suggested the same. Funny old world.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... le-on-guns

Virginia has long been a source of guns used in crimes in other states. Of the 5,000-plus firearms recovered in Maryland in 2014, for example, more than 500 came from its neighbor with looser gun regulations.

So it's encouraging that Virginia is getting stricter about enforcing its own gun laws. Starting in February, the state will end its reciprocity agreements with any state that doesn't meet Virginia's standards for concealed-carry permits.

For instance, a Virginian convicted of stalking, or who is facing charges of stalking, is not allowed such a permit. Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, sensibly wants to apply this law -- much like Virginia's laws about, say, speeding -- to out-of-staters. Thus concealed-carry permits from 25 other states, many of which are easily obtained, will no longer be valid in Virginia. Likewise, Virginians will no longer be able to use their concealed-carry permits in six states that require reciprocity.

ETA: http://www.oag.state.va.us/index.php/ci ... nformation

Wayne and Co. are working on "total recognition" legislation that would require Virginia to recognize licenses from all other states.

In response to Attorney General Herring’s action, NRA-ILA is currently working on legislation for the 2016 Virginia session to address the reciprocity issue. This legislation will require Virginia to recognize valid permits or licenses from every other state. Due to NRA’s past efforts, 18 states already have such a “total recognition” law. The Virginia legislation would further require the attorney general to enter into a reciprocity agreement with any state that requires an agreement in order to recognize Virginia concealed handgun permits.

Link:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015122 ... ey-general

ArmedAndLiberal wrote: Wayne and Co. are working on "total recognition" legislation that would require Virginia to recognize licenses from all other states.

I hear out-of-state concealed carriers have turned Ohio into a blood-soaked Wild West rivaling Tarantino's "Hateful 8".

I am ignorant of Virginia politics and laws...but this is something the VA AG can do by fiat?

workinstiff wrote:I am ignorant of Virginia politics and laws...but this is something the VA AG can do by fiat?

I don't know about VA state law, but I often see the states' attorneys general dealing with issues of licensing reciprocity. Here CPL reciprocity is divided between the WA Department of Licensing and the SoS who is the Official Keeper of the List.

workinstiff wrote:I am ignorant of Virginia politics and laws...but this is something the VA AG can do by fiat?

Usually reciprocity agreements are handled by the AG as a law enforcement matter.

Gov. Terry McAuliffe plans to announce Friday that Virginia will restore handgun reciprocity agreements with nearly all states, in a stunning reversal of firearms policy that angered Republicans and gun rights advocates across the nation.

In exchange, Republicans will agree to some concessions, according to McAuliffe’s office and the office of House Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford).

Gun rights advocates reacted bitterly last month when Herring announced his firearms policy, accusing Herring of politicizing his office to erode the Second Amendment.
But Democrats said Herring was applying Virginia concealed-carry standards set by the General Assembly to everyone who sets foot in the state.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... story.html
Guess what? The fact that he so readily reversed it for "concessions" proves that it was absolutely a political move and has nothing to do with safety or rule of law.

So the gun restrictionist governor and AG were going to take in the form of ending reciprocity while offering nothing in return. Now they have said they are going to take less in exchange for doing more taking. And they're calling the latter "concessions."
1.

In exchange, Republicans will agree to a major concession: Anyone subject to a permanent protective order for a domestic violence offence will be prohibited from carrying a firearm for the two-year life of the order. The issue had been a nonstarter in the Republican-controlled General Assembly.

2.

It includes an amendment offered by Sen. Chap Petersen (D-Fairfax City), that says Virginia will not honor an out-of-state concealed carry permit held by a person whose Virginia concealed carry permit was previously revoked — a practice known as “state shopping.”

3.

In another concession, state police must be present at all gun shows to administer background checks in private sales of guns on a voluntary basis. McAuliffe’s budget includes $100,000 to fund the activity.