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#276 Post by Bisbee » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:50 pm

Licensed therapist and medical professionals are required by laws to report to the police if a patient under their care makes a threat of harm to people. It is their discretion what constitutes a credible threat but their license to practice will be on the line if they fail to report.

After reading the article above, I would probably not have reported Cruz to the authorities myself. It seemed they were constantly working to mainstream Cruz and the last entry by the therapist seemed somewhat promising, whatever that's worth.
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#277 Post by featureless » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:27 pm

Tough to put this on one therapist.

I think what this case clearly shows is that, no matter what we do, crazy shit will happen. There will always be a nut that slips through the cracks unless and until we find a way to reduce the nuts. Then we're back to social work and lifting people up that nobody wants to engage in. We better raise the age, arm teachers and ban bump stocks, 'cause that'll work.

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Re: 17 killed in shooting at Parkland, Florida high school

#278 Post by DispositionMatrix » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:42 pm

Authorities release video showing outside of Parkland high school during shooting
Newly released surveillance footage appears to support the Broward sheriff’s account that a campus deputy rushed to the Parkland high school building where a mass shooting was unfolding — but never entered to engage the gunman.

Authorities on Thursday released the video showing Deputy Scot Peterson and a civilian security guard hurrying on a golf cart to Building 12 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in the initial moments of what became Florida’s deadliest school shooting.

But as shooter Nikolas Cruz remained inside for another four minutes — killing 17 people and wounding 15 — Peterson appeared to remain around the southeast corner of the building.

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#279 Post by AndyH » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:36 pm

He got that final golf cart ride in. woot.

FWIW...I was in class last week with a total of four current or former police officers (one being Mas Ayoob). I was the sole liberal. Every one of the people in class agreed that Peterson really messed up.
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#280 Post by AndyH » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:21 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stoneman-d ... to-school/
PARKLAND, Fla. – Two Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students are under arrest for bringing weapons to school. As students try to get back to normal at Stoneman Douglas following last month's mass shooting, now comes news of the arrest of two students, another one committed for psychological evaluation and a deputy placed on paid suspension, CBS Miami reports.
Jordan Salter, 18, is one of two students arrested for bringing a knife to school.

According to an arrest form, during an argument with another student, "Jordan reached inside of her bra and pulled out a 2" black handle knife, unfolded the knife and showed it" to the student she was arguing with.

According to Broward County Sheriff's Office, 17-year-old Gavin Stricker, a 10th grader, was also arrested after "a nine inch knife was found in his backpack. Mr. Stricker was placed into custody and transported to JARC."
Another student, a 10th grader who was not identified, "was removed from class for posting pictures on Snap-Chat depicting a handgun in his waistband and numerous bullets."

BSO says the student stated the picture was, "of a BB gun and the bullets were his father's."

The student "…goes by a gamer tag name he created called, 'NickCruz'. He uses this gamer tag in the game Fortnite."

The student has been committed for a psychological evaluation.
At least it's not just the kids doing silly things.
In yet another incident, BSO has announced Deputy Moises Carotti has been suspended with pay after a student notified the school he was asleep in his patrol unit.
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Re: 17 killed in shooting at Parkland, Florida high school

#281 Post by Bisbee » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:28 pm

Those damned kids! Don't they know it's hard work protecting the little snot-noses. We all need a little "power nap" every once in a while to stay sharp!
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#282 Post by DispositionMatrix » Tue May 08, 2018 2:16 pm

Stoneman Douglas Shooter Was Assigned To Controversial Broward Discipline Program, Officials Now Say
Broward school district officials admitted Sunday that the confessed Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School gunman was assigned to a controversial disciplinary program, after the superintendent repeatedly claimed Nikolas Cruz had "no connection" to the alternative punishment designed to limit on-campus arrests.

Two sources with knowledge of Cruz’s discipline records told WLRN he was referred to the so-called PROMISE Program for a three-day stint after committing vandalism at Westglades Middle School in 2013.
But, she said, "It does not appear that Cruz completed the recommended three-day assignment/placement." She said she did not want to "speculate" as to why.

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#283 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon May 14, 2018 11:13 am

Or not.
School district shuts down information after Stoneman Douglas shooting
The Broward school district’s repeated, emphatic — and it turns out, false — statements that Nikolas Cruz had not been in a controversial disciplinary program fit a pattern of an institution on the defensive and under siege.

Facing significant legal and political exposure over the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the district has tried to keep information from the public and put out untrue and misleading statements, frustrating parents who say this is the time for maximum transparency.

The district is fighting in court against the release of school surveillance video. It flatly refused to issue any records regarding the shooting to the news media, in a possible violation of the state’s open-records law. Superintendent Robert Runcie has blocked critics, including parents, from his Twitter account. More than two months after the shooting, a Broward Sheriff’s detective told a state commission on school safety that he was still waiting for the district to provide all of Cruz’s disciplinary records.

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#284 Post by TrueTexan » Thu May 17, 2018 1:12 pm

The sheriff’s deputy not going inside to confront the gunman resulted in more loss of life. He resigned and then retired from the sheriff dept. He will get a pension of $8,702.35 a month or $100,000+a year.
Scot Peterson, the former Broward County deputy sheriff who remained outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, while Nikolas Cruz allegedly gunned down 17 people, has begun receiving pension payments that will surpass $100,000 per year.

The state began paying Peterson $8,702.35 per month in April, and he’s eligible to continue receiving pension payments for the rest of his life, the Florida Department of Management Services told the Sun-Sentinel on Tuesday. According to Florida’s state pension handbook, the amount a state employee receives is based on the number of years served and his or her average salary during their highest-earning years. Peterson was a deputy for 32 years.

Peterson resigned and retired in February after admitting that he had heard gunshots, but saying he hadn’t believed they were coming from inside the school. The investigation into his conduct is ongoing.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel made no effort to hide his disgust with Peterson’s actions. President Donald Trump labeled Peterson a “coward.” Several people have also lamented the fact that Peterson will still be remunerated despite what they viewed as grossly negligent behavior during the Parkland school shooting.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa ... 9345d61b3f

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

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#285 Post by Evo1 » Thu May 17, 2018 11:39 pm

TrueTexan wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:12 pm
The sheriff’s deputy not going inside to confront the gunman resulted in more loss of life. He resigned and then retired from the sheriff dept. He will get a pension of $8,702.35 a month or $100,000+a year.
Scot Peterson, the former Broward County deputy sheriff who remained outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, while Nikolas Cruz allegedly gunned down 17 people, has begun receiving pension payments that will surpass $100,000 per year.

The state began paying Peterson $8,702.35 per month in April, and he’s eligible to continue receiving pension payments for the rest of his life, the Florida Department of Management Services told the Sun-Sentinel on Tuesday. According to Florida’s state pension handbook, the amount a state employee receives is based on the number of years served and his or her average salary during their highest-earning years. Peterson was a deputy for 32 years.

Peterson resigned and retired in February after admitting that he had heard gunshots, but saying he hadn’t believed they were coming from inside the school. The investigation into his conduct is ongoing.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel made no effort to hide his disgust with Peterson’s actions. President Donald Trump labeled Peterson a “coward.” Several people have also lamented the fact that Peterson will still be remunerated despite what they viewed as grossly negligent behavior during the Parkland school shooting.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa ... 9345d61b3f

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

Must be nice to be able to retire with that much pension. We don’t give that much to teachers, nurses or even the the combat military, Generals and Admirals excluded, when they retire.
We don't give them that much as their full salary when they're working!

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#286 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:14 pm

Parkland School Guard Who Didn't Stop Shooter Had Harassed One of the Victims, Family Says
(PARKLAND, Fla.) — An unarmed security monitor who critics say could have stopped the Florida high school massacre was suspended last year for sexually harassing two female students, with one of them later dying in February’s shooting, her family told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The father and brother of Meadow Pollack say she was one of two girls Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School security monitor Andrew Medina harassed last year. Medina was suspended for three days, even though a disciplinary panel recommended he be fired, a newspaper reported Thursday.

Andrew Pollack and his 20-year-old son, Hunter, said they didn’t learn until after the Feb. 14 shooting that left 17 dead that Meadow and her mother had reported Medina, now 39, to Stoneman Douglas officials. Andrew Pollack said his ex-wife didn’t tell them “because she knew I would have handled it.”

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#287 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:03 am

Parkland Shooter Asked for Help, but Was Denied Before Shooting
A new report found Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz asked school officials for help months before he allegedly gunned down 14 fellow classmates and three adults—but the school district “did not follow through."

That failure by school officials was singled out in a court-ordered report released Friday into the school district’s handling of Cruz’s behavioral issues. While more than half of the report was redacted, the blacked-out sections of the document could still easily be read by copying and pasting into a separate document, a trick used by The Sun-Sentinel to release the unredacted report on Friday.

Among the conclusions in the report, authored by the Collaborative Educational Network of Tallahassee, are two glaring instances in which Broward school officials failed to act in accordance with laws governing the treatment of students with disabilities.
Redacted report on the shooter:
https://www.trbas.com/media/media/acrob ... 054436.pdf

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#288 Post by Eris » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:08 am

So another example of a situation where better mental health services might have stopped a killing.

Also another example of someone who doesn't know how to redact a document.
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#289 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:21 am

5 Things We’ve Learned About The Parkland Shooting You Won’t Hear From Most Media
1. The Broward County Sheriff’s Department Was Ill-equipped
2. The Sheriff’s Department Continues to Refuse Responsibility
3. Obama Policies Hid the Real Threat
Appears to be a recap of things discussed on this site.

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#290 Post by CDFingers » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:49 am

DispositionMatrix wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:21 am
5 Things We’ve Learned About The Parkland Shooting You Won’t Hear From Most Media
1. The Broward County Sheriff’s Department Was Ill-equipped
2. The Sheriff’s Department Continues to Refuse Responsibility
3. Obama Policies Hid the Real Threat
Appears to be a recap of things discussed on this site.
One thing she did not discuss in the critique is what do we do with that kid once he's flagged? What programs exist, what safe places exist, for kids who've been flagged? Few. What we see is hoping the flagged kids don't act out.

Another thing is the writer is a Federalist Society person, so the tie of Obama's name to the shooting is pretty much a stretch. "Obama policies" likely helped more kids. We don't see that balance, and that's due to the Federalist taint.

However, her last paragraph has good things in it.
The most compelling thing about all this information — other than how devastatingly tragic it is — is that none of this points to gun control as a problem or solution. If anything, law enforcement, school protocol, and government bureaucracy were strange allies in the push to avoid brave action, obfuscate the truth, and keep parents from finally discovering what happened, so they can heal. Hopefully, this information can begin to help school districts around the country avoid making the same mistakes.
And we see the echo from the above piece with no mention of programs for kids who are flagged--Federalists tend to blame the wrong groups. Root cause mitigation requires existence of programs for flagged kids.

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#291 Post by highdesert » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:14 am

Parkland parents and kids were overly influenced by the "guns are the problem" mantra of Everytown and similar groups. Guns were the easy, no-brainer target and it got them plenty of media attention. So much for critical thinking skills.
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#292 Post by highdesert » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:06 am

The panel investigating the Florida high school massacre recommended Wednesday that teachers who volunteer and undergo extensive background checks and training be allowed to carry concealed guns on campus to stop future shootings. The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission voted 13-1 to recommend the Legislature allow the arming of teachers, saying it's not enough to have one or two police officers or armed guards on campus. Florida law adopted after the Feb. 14 shooting that left 17 dead allows districts to arm non-teaching staff members such as principals, librarians and custodians — 13 of the 67 districts do, mostly in rural parts of the state.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, the commission's chairman, pushed the measure at the Tallahassee meeting. He said most deaths in school shootings happen within the first few minutes, before officers on and off campus can respond. He said suspect Nikolas Cruz stopped to reload his AR-15 semi-automatic rifle five times, all of which would have been opportunities for an armed teacher to shoot him. "We have to give people a fighting chance, we have to give them an opportunity to protect themselves," Gualtieri said. He said there aren't enough officers or money to hire one for every school, but even then officers need backup. "One good guy with a gun on campus is not enough."

The state teachers union and PTA have previously expressed opposition, saying teachers are hired to educate, not be police officers. Commissioner Max Schachter, whose 14-year-old son Alex died in the massacre, cast the lone vote against the motion. He said the state should focus on hiring more police officers for campuses and allowing non-teaching staff to carry guns. "We do need more good guys with a gun on campus — nobody understands that and wishes we had more at Marjory Stoneman Douglas than myself," Schachter said. But arming teachers "creates a host of problems." The father and wife of other victims, who are not on the commission, also spoke against arming teachers.

After the shooting, Florida law was changed to allow school districts to train and arm employees other than teachers except those who are former or current police officers, current members of the military or Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps instructors. Currently, teachers in 28 states can carry firearms, according to the Crime Prevention Research Center, a conservative nonprofit organization. District approval is required in most states and restrictions and training requirements vary. The 15-member commission, which has been meeting periodically since April, will present a report to Gov. Rick Scott, incoming Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Legislature by Jan. 1. The commission includes law enforcement, education and mental health professionals, a legislator and the fathers of two slain students.
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#293 Post by ViktyrGehrig » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:48 pm

Well, there's the low-hanging fruit-- it will do little to solve the problem, but will cost us even less.

We need to remember that when a "good guy with a gun" stops an active shooter before the massacre has even begun, that's still one senseless killing too many.

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#294 Post by Eris » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:21 pm

ViktyrGehrig wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:48 pm
Well, there's the low-hanging fruit-- it will do little to solve the problem, but will cost us even less.

We need to remember that when a "good guy with a gun" stops an active shooter before the massacre has even begun, that's still one senseless killing too many.
One death is too many, but sometimes it's also the least harm that can be done.
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#295 Post by ViktyrGehrig » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:33 am

Yes, certainly. I'm not saying that stopping the shooting is a bad thing-- just that stopping it even earlier would still be better.

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#296 Post by sikacz » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:46 am

ViktyrGehrig wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:33 am
Yes, certainly. I'm not saying that stopping the shooting is a bad thing-- just that stopping it even earlier would still be better.
What low-hanging fruit are you referring to?
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#297 Post by Eris » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:27 pm

ViktyrGehrig wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:33 am
Yes, certainly. I'm not saying that stopping the shooting is a bad thing-- just that stopping it even earlier would still be better.
If you're hinting at root cause mitigation, then I'm sure we can all agree with you. It would be great to have social support programs in place that could have helped this kid work out his problems without violence, or at least have caught him in the planning stages.
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