CZ or a Colt Woodsman

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CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#1 Post by lsj74 » Wed May 16, 2018 12:44 am

I went to my local gunstore and they have a CZ P10C and a Colt woodsman. I have been wanting the CZ but that Colt seems like a rare find.
They are asking $425 for it.
Are they worth getting? Ammo sensitive or are the magazines hard to get?
I don't know what series it is but any info on those would be appreciated.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#2 Post by Bisbee » Wed May 16, 2018 2:19 am

Maybe ammo sensitive. I don't know about standard velocity only guns but HV rated guns may cycle reliably only with certain brands of ammo based on my experience.
Definitely hard to get mags for. Aftermarkets are not reliable feeders supposedly but I did not try any myself so can't verify the rumor.
That is a fair to good price based on condition. They will not really go much cheaper than that if the original finish is somewhat decent, free of obvious rust stains. Refinished guns may look nicer but are actually worth less.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#3 Post by khlavkalash » Wed May 16, 2018 5:12 am

I love CZs but 10Cs are fairly common. PCR or P-01 Omega or something and it would be a harder decision.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#4 Post by Bucolic » Wed May 16, 2018 6:20 am

I love CZs but I would buy the Woodsman. Depending on condition and version, that is a killer price on the Colt. If you look around, you might find some original mags.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#5 Post by lsj74 » Wed May 16, 2018 11:23 am

I did a little research and I found out that you can buy new magazines for some of the woodsmans series online for around $40 and apparently the magazines from the Beretta Neos are the same but use a different base plate.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#6 Post by Bucolic » Wed May 16, 2018 11:59 am

I meant to answer your other question. My second series Woodsman needed a good cleaning when I got it - it had not been shot in 30years or more. It feeds CCI Minimags as well as SV without problems. I have also fired Wolf Match Target without any issue. I don’t think I ever tried the cheap stuff.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#7 Post by highdesert » Wed May 16, 2018 12:02 pm

I'm a huge fan of CZ but you can always buy the 10c. A Colt Woodsman is a classic, if it's in good condition I'd buy it.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#8 Post by sikacz » Wed May 16, 2018 1:07 pm

Another CZ nut saying get the Woodsman. CZ:s are in production and will be for some time.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#9 Post by Woodsman » Wed May 16, 2018 1:30 pm

highdesert wrote:
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I'm a huge fan of CZ but you can always buy the 10c. A Colt Woodsman is a classic, if it's in good condition I'd buy it.
I have to agree. I haven't found any ammo issues with our Target 3rd Series, except that I had a lot of failure to fire problems before I replaced the firing pin and spring. I was lucky and found NOS parts. I mostly feed it CCI SV Target, with no issues. The pistol is 60 y/o and while I'm not really afraid to shoot HV in it, I prefer not to, just because... There are springs available out there and depending on the pistol's age and (unknowable) round count, spring replacements might be worthwhile if you have any intractable problems. These pistols are lifetime keepers and they are worth spending a little money on. All that said, I don't consider myself a Woodsman expert. Bucolic and perhaps others here own more of them than I do.

There are some completely useless aftermarket mags out there. For instance do not buy these, they are terrible: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1270300 The feed lips are too high in our Woodsman. Perhaps they work better in 2nd series, dunno.

These on the other hand work just fine in our pistol: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1573770

Pricey, but they are a very accurate reproduction of factory mags and I have had no problems. Not a carry gun so no real need for more than 2 mags by my reckoning.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#10 Post by MaxWyatt » Wed May 16, 2018 4:04 pm

The Woodsman is a metal gun. Get that one.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#11 Post by eelj » Wed May 16, 2018 4:55 pm

The Woodsman has had a very diverse following over the years, from Marilyn Monroe to Ernest Hemingway.

Hemingway felt it was a great self defense weapon and carried one everywhere. My son inlaw inherited his father old challenger made in the early 50s. Shoots anything just fine.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#12 Post by eelj » Wed May 16, 2018 5:02 pm

Heres a pic of his Challeger plus one of my TC in 222.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#13 Post by eelj » Wed May 16, 2018 5:07 pm

I'll try this
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#14 Post by lsj74 » Wed May 16, 2018 8:17 pm

Yeah I think I'll get the woodsman. I don't come across them often. The CZ will be around for a few more years.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#15 Post by Bisbee » Thu May 17, 2018 3:13 am

We n-n-n-need PICS!!!
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#16 Post by lsj74 » Thu May 17, 2018 3:35 am

Bisbee wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:13 am
We n-n-n-need PICS!!!
And you will get pics.
I just hope it's still there when I get there.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#17 Post by FrontSight » Thu May 17, 2018 11:21 pm

Dood, how is this even a question. Any and every day of the week, you can find a CZ P-10 (and I'm a CZ fan boy)...WOODSMAN.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#18 Post by sikacz » Fri May 18, 2018 7:55 am

lsj74 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:35 am
Bisbee wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:13 am
We n-n-n-need PICS!!!
And you will get pics.
I just hope it's still there when I get there.
Well, where is it?
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#19 Post by sikacz » Fri May 18, 2018 7:57 am

eelj wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 5:02 pm
Heres a pic of his Challeger plus one of my TC in 222.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#20 Post by highdesert » Fri May 18, 2018 9:47 am

In continuous production for more than 60 years, these guns set the bar that other .22LR pistols had to meet. Had it not been for the Colt Woodsman, Carl Gustav Swebilius would never have produced the Hi-Standard series of pistols. These guns, which first came out in the 1930s, look, and perform like clones of the Woodsman. Then came the Smith and Wesson Model 41, which looks suspiciously like the slab-sided Woodsman Match Target Model. Finally, Bill Ruger launched his company in 1949 with a .22LR single stack ten-shot magazine pistol, with a fixed skinny barrel and strait blowback action. Truth be told, if there was no Woodsman, the rimfire pistol market could look very different today.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#21 Post by lsj74 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:21 pm

I went and put it on layaway since I'm a little short on cash .
It's a series 3 with a 6 inch barrel and comes with 2 magazines. It's in a pretty good shape.
I'm hoping to have the cash to pick in up in 2 weeks. I had every intention to take pictures of it to show you all but I got so excited when seen that it was still there that I forgot all about it.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#22 Post by eelj » Sat May 19, 2018 2:15 pm

I hope it's a good one and you enjoy it.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#23 Post by lsj74 » Sat May 19, 2018 2:20 pm

eelj wrote:
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I hope it's a good one and you enjoy it.
The girl behind the counter said she testfired it when they got it in and she said it shot really well for her with both magazines.

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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#24 Post by Bucolic » Sat May 19, 2018 2:28 pm

I love the vicarious thrill of others getting new .22 pistols. Pics when you can. But shoot it first so we can all be jealous.
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Re: CZ or a Colt Woodsman

#25 Post by BKinzey » Sat May 19, 2018 4:41 pm

Bucolic wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 2:28 pm
I love the vicarious thrill of others getting new .22 pistols. Shoot when you can. But pics first so we can all be jealous.
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