DOJ IG issues report on HRC e-mail investigation

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DOJ IG issues report on HRC e-mail investigation

#1 Post by highdesert » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:06 pm

The Justice Department’s inspector general’s report released Thursday makes clear that former FBI director James B. Comey blew it in his handling of Hillary Clinton’s emails. He treated her unfairly, intruding into the election in ways that worked to Donald Trump’s benefit. Inspector general Michael Horowitz found that the FBI didn’t erroneously let Clinton go free. To the contrary, his report makes clear that Comey acted outside department norms in ways harmful to her. According to The Post:

The inspector general found “no evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations.” The report acknowledged that certain emails appeared to contain classified information, but investigators determined the FBI’s conclusion that Clinton did not intend to expose classified information was legitimate. …

Inspector general Michael Horowitz accused Comey of insubordination, saying he flouted Justice Department practices when he decided only he had the authority and credibility to make key decisions and speak for the Justice Department.

Comey made a “serious error of judgment” in sending a letter to Congress on Oct. 28 announcing he was reopening the investigation of Clinton’s use of the server while secretary of state, the report found, and called it “extraordinary that Comey assessed that it was best” for him not to speak directly with either the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General about his decision beforehand. . . .

The report chided [then-Attorney General Loretta E.] Lynch for indecision after meeting with former president Bill Clinton on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport in the late stages of the campaign. She neither recused herself from the case to avoid the appearance of impropriety, nor did she assert herself more vigorously as Comey seized command.


So Comey and others at the FBI made serious errors that very well might have impacted the election. But Republicans have some legitimate grips as well. Horowitz “singled out” Peter Strzok, who worked on both the Clinton email case and Russia investigation, for his highly partisan texts to FBI lawyer Lisa Page. Furthermore, “the report identified five officials with some connection to the email probe who were expressing political views, faulting them for having brought ‘discredit to themselves, sowed doubt about the FBI’s handling of the midyear investigation, and impacted the reputation of the FBI.’ The midyear investigation refers to the Clinton email probe.”

In short, the FBI has made a great number of errors that partisans on both sides will insist were partisan and affected the outcome of the Clinton and Russia probes. There is plenty for conspiracy theorists to sink their teeth into, but no one convinced his side was done wrong by a plot is likely to be persuaded otherwise.

Three things are clear.

First, Comey’s conduct violated Justice Department norms and very possibly cost Clinton the election. Trump, already concerned about the legitimacy of his election, will have to wrestle with the fact that but for Comey’s grandstanding, he would not be president. Reps. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), ranking Democrats on the House Judiciary and Oversight committees respectively, put out a statement which began:

The stark conclusion we draw after reviewing this report is that the FBI’s actions helped Donald Trump become President. Director Comey had a double-standard: he spoke publicly about the Clinton investigation while keeping secret from the American people the investigation of Donald Trump and Russia.

The FBI should not have spoken publicly about the case after recommending against criminal charges. They should not have revealed that they had reopened the case just days before the election. These actions violate longstanding guidelines designed to protect citizens from unfair attacks and avoid influencing elections.


Second, Comey’s errors were not about dishonesty but rather overreach and tone-deafness. There is no reason to doubt his recollections in the Trump case. However, given his conduct and those of several FBI agents, Mueller will have a special burden to piece together a case in which these witnesses did not taint the case. That’s not a legal judgment; it’s a political reality. Mueller’s case surely will be a mosaic of hundreds of witnesses and thousands of documents; a strong case should not be affected by a handful of intemperant FBI agents (who in any case worked under Mueller’s supervision).

Third, given how tribalistic Republicans are, the report will give them ample reason to denigrate the ongoing Russia investigation and disregard its results. Even on facts, apart from the involvement of Comey and other FBI officials, the GOP may not be willing to act on ample evidence of other crimes or misconduct. In light of this report, the case New York State filed Thursday against Trump and his family members looms even larger. It may be that issues far afield from Russia ultimately do Trump in.

Democrats hope that Mueller’s credibility and factual discoveries are substantial enough to disentangle a final report from this mess. Unfortunately, at a time when Americans are deeply mistrustful of government, the inspector general’s report is going to make matters worse.
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#2 Post by YankeeTarheel » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:59 pm

So...As I've said, Comey may be a fool, but he's an honest fool with dreadful judgement.
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#3 Post by TrueTexan » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:42 pm

It also turns out he was using his personal email account for FBI business while investigating Hillary’s Email.
WASHINGTON ― Former FBI Director James Comey, who famously criticized former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for using personal email, used his own personal email account and laptop to conduct FBI business, according to a report from the Justice Department’s internal watchdog.

The DOJ inspector general’s report released on Thursday found that Comey’s use of a personal Gmail address was “inconsistent” with FBI policy. Comey, however, did not use his personal email to handle any classified information, the report said.

Comey told investigators he used his laptop and personal email when he needed “to word process an unclassified [document] that was going to be disseminated broadly,” like a speech or an email to the whole organization, according to the report. His aide told investigators that Comey routinely deleted all emails from his Gmail account, and cleared the deleted messages folder as well.

“I had two phones ― a personal phone and a government phone,” Comey told investigators. He said he used his own personal laptop for unclassified work, and said he saw no issues with using a personal laptop and personal email. Asked if his use of a personal email and personal device was in line with FBI regulations, Comey said he didn’t know, but had the “sense” it was OK.

The inspector general found otherwise.

“We found that, given the absence of exigent circumstances and the frequency with which the use of personal email occurred Comey’s use of a personal email account on multiple occasions for unclassified FBI business to be inconsistent with the FBI Policy Statement,” the report said.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ja ... fb8271c072

Hillary’s Great response.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has finally responded to the inspector general’s report on the actions of former FBI director James Comey’s decision to reopen the investigation into her emails.

Political reporter Kyle Cheney tweeted one of the findings from the report that indicated on numerous occasions Comey used his personal GMail address to conduct official business

Clinton responded with her own shade, saying, “but my emails.”
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Re: DOJ IG issues report on HRC e-mail investigation

#4 Post by featureless » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:36 pm

Well, I don't know about you all, but I've got trouble keeping my paltry 3 email accounts separated. Half of it is people defaulting to which ever pops up in the email field first. Then you respond. And then you realize it's the wrong account....

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#5 Post by KnightsFan » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:05 am

Everybody keeps ignoring the fact that Clinton was already sliding in the polls before the letter was released.

Last May the New York Times had a piece on why we should be skeptical
New York Times wrote:The case for a big Comey effect hinges on the large decline in Mrs. Clinton’s lead in the polls that followed the letter. In the FiveThirtyEight model, for instance, Mrs. Clinton had nearly a six-point lead heading into the Comey letter, but just a three-point lead one week later: an apparent three-percentage-point shift against Mrs. Clinton. It seems reasonable, as many have argued, to attribute much of that decline to Mr. Comey’s decision.



But the Upshot/Siena poll of Florida is one of several surveys that challenge this interpretation. That poll was completed the night before the Comey letter, but it was not released until Sunday, two days later — a longer lag than usual, since Sunday is seen as a better day for news media coverage than Saturday.

Some analysts have used poll aggregators or forecasting models to measure the effect of the Comey letter, and they have implicitly treated this Upshot poll, and others conducted before the news but released after, as evidence of a Comey effect. But it can’t be; for example, none of the people we polled for our survey knew about the letter.

Unfortunately, there is not much polling from this narrow period before the Comey letter and well after the third presidential debate. But it was accepted at the time that Mrs. Clinton’s lead was slipping heading into the morning of Oct. 28. The ABC/Washington Post tracking poll conducted over the same period as the Upshot/Siena poll of Florida, for instance, showed Mrs. Clinton’s lead at just two points, down from a double-digit lead after the third debate. That poll was also released after Mr. Comey’s letter.



Even if the Comey letter did affect the race at that point, the effect might have faded in the final days of the campaign. Mrs. Clinton’s national lead in the polls grew over the weekend ahead of the election.
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Re: DOJ IG issues report on HRC e-mail investigation

#6 Post by highdesert » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:08 pm

TrueTexan wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:42 pm
“I had two phones ― a personal phone and a government phone,” Comey told investigators. He said he used his own personal laptop for unclassified work, and said he saw no issues with using a personal laptop and personal email. Asked if his use of a personal email and personal device was in line with FBI regulations, Comey said he didn’t know, but had the “sense” it was OK. The inspector general found otherwise.

“We found that, given the absence of exigent circumstances and the frequency with which the use of personal email occurred Comey’s use of a personal email account on multiple occasions for unclassified FBI business to be inconsistent with the FBI Policy Statement,” the report said.
Classified or not, it's still FBI business and should have been handled on an FBI phone or laptop. It's sloppy and Comey loses more credibility on top of his handling of HRC's e-mail situation.
KnightsFan wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:05 am
Even if the Comey letter did affect the race at that point, the effect might have faded in the final days of the campaign. Mrs. Clinton’s national lead in the polls grew over the weekend ahead of the election.
Siena college is a reputable pollster, but averaging polls is more exact than an individual poll. The question will always remain when voters were casting their votes did the reopening of the HRC e-mail investigation cause them to change their vote from HRC to some other candidate?
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