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Re: Joe Biden 2020

#201 Post by YankeeTarheel » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:33 pm

Johnson? Don't you remember The Great Society? It produced Medicare, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act? Even "Keep America Beautiful"? LBJ WORSHIPPED FDR and wanted to do BIG THINGS like FDR did. And he did! Truman was definitely a definite, and tough character, not at all wishy-washy.
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#202 Post by VodoundaVinci » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:36 pm

I'm totally lost now. We need to vote Dem because....ya know, Trump needs purged. Yet the Dems *will not* run Liberal/Progressives and stomp them to death before they get momentum as the people who are picking the candidates (I call it the DNC but others maybe know better) are rigging it to exclude the very people Dems want to elect - Progressives and real Liberals. Yet it goes round, and round, and round with all this specialized jargon and eye winking.

I just wanna vote for a Progressive candidate who does not want to gut the 2A and wants to reform Health Care and move US forward and not back. Yet there is none because the Democrats are owned and operated by the same .01% as the Republicans and they want our guns in the dirt (scared of armed Revolution) and to fleece America of the *Trillions* in pensions, 401K's, private savings, property, college savings, etc. America is being fleeced/liquidated by the Establishment which is run by a global Oligarchy.

I just want to fix this or get the fuck out of here - I have enough in savings that if I immigrate I can live comfortably the rest of my days even without SS. I'm not voting for a Dem Stooge who wants to disarm me so the Oligarchy can fuck me out of my options and I can't fight back. Biden is that Stooge and *millions* of US are not gonna vote for him. It's simple - we need to stop the DNC from rigging this election and they *are* doing it right now. As YT said, they have their thumb on the scale and they are cheating already by stoking the polls and making silly bullshit rules to exclude Progressive possibilities.

The Dems are trying to force feed US another Establishment/Oligarchy owed and operated candidate and they are gonna get their asses beat (again) if we don't find another Way.

Maybe I should just flee to the EU and give up on America. I'm convinced we are toast and cannot vote our way out.

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Re: Joe Biden 2020

#203 Post by TrueTexan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:03 pm

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Johnson? Don't you remember The Great Society? It produced Medicare, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act? Even "Keep America Beautiful"? LBJ WORSHIPPED FDR and wanted to do BIG THINGS like FDR did. And he did! Truman was definitely a definite, and tough character, not at all wishy-washy.
Truman did things the Reptilians would not like today. Signed treaty that created and joined the UN
He also ordered Reorganization of the military into the Department of Defense and integration of the military services.
Ordered implementation of the Marshall plan to help Europe and Asia recover from the war. Ordered the Berlin Airlift.
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#204 Post by K9s » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:09 pm

Maybe California is toast and cannot vote their way out of it? Is that what you mean? I don't see anything like that occurring in my immediate city, county, district, or state.

For my House district, for example, we have several GOP (including a self-described "Trump-loving white nationalist") versus a diverse field of D women (and some D guys who have no chance). The two US Senate seat races will be similar and, probably, all will end up as diverse D women running against GOP white males up and down the ballot like 2018.

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#205 Post by max129 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:49 pm

YankeeTarheel said:

Johnson? Don't you remember The Great Society?


I DO remember it. As a POTUS, Johnson enacted some really super Big Ideas. He did not campaign on them. He surprised the hell out of everyone.

My point was how he acted during the campaign.
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#206 Post by VodoundaVinci » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:47 am

Apologies for the manic screeching on my part.....I need to take a breath and step back from this whole Primary thing. It's like a reoccurring dream of a train wreck that keeps happening over, and over, and over and there is nothing I can do about it.

Hard for me to watch US doing it again and not changing anything yet expecting a different outcome.

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#207 Post by Marlene » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:58 am

I agree Voodoo
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#208 Post by YankeeTarheel » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:22 am

There's an arrogance in the so-called Dem "Leadership" that's highly frustrating. Like Republicans, they want to pick their voters and who will be elected, and it doing so point at, yet again, snatching losses from the jaws of what should be assured victories. It seems the DSCC isn't even convinced it can take back the Senate! Which is INSANE!!! Of course you cannot if you won't organize on the ground in North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Kentucky, Montana, Arizona, Maine, Alabama, and every other state where a ReThug is even SLIGHTLY vulnerable!

Speaker Pelosi is a brilliant parliamentarian, able to read the signs and omens of the House like a delphic oracle. But the people and the party on the ground? She has shown for a decade-and-a-half that she is stone deaf and clueless, coming from a rich, totally Blue district in SanFran. So what works for her, calling big donors and schmoozing them for money, doesn't really work in close and working class districts where you need to EXCITE the people. Schumer's not much better.

And both are pushing hard and viciously to prevent any more primary challenges. So clods like Josh Gottheimer and Mikie Sherrill in MY state, who SHOULD be "primaried" (Especially Gottheimer) are being guarded by Pelosi like an angry mother grizzly. She doesn't want any more "Squads" coming into HER House! (It's OUR House, not hers).

Yeah, the Dems' so-called "Leaders" are working hard to repeat 2016 because keeping control of their caucuses is more important to them than winning!
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#209 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:38 am

Maybe during the debates with the incumbent, Biden can squirt blood from his eye.
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#210 Post by TrueTexan » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:12 pm

Boy, Biden stuck both feet in it last night with his remark on slavery.
Joe Biden puzzled many viewers by suggesting that parents play records for their children to help overcome the legacy of slavery, but author Anand Giridharadas was outraged.

The former New York Times columnist and author of the best-selling “Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World” described Biden’s remarks as “appalling and disqualifying.”

Biden was asked about the legacy of slavery, and the former vice president urged parents to spin records for their children to help improve their vocabulary before entering school.

“We bring social workers into homes and parents to help them deal with how to raise their children,” Biden said. “It’s not that they don’t want to help. They don’t know quite what to do. Play the radio. Make sure the television — excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night.”

Giridharadas found that statement infuriating on multiple levels.

Giridharadas said “the record player moment” revealed Biden’s “bankruptcy,” and was the defining moment of Thursday’s debate.

“It is a whole new level of racism to say that the way to repair the legacy of slavery is for black people to stop refusing to give music to their kids,” Giridharadas said.

“This is the frontrunner,” he continued. “Currently, the most likely nominee. This is how he talks about African-Americans, who are the beating heart of his party.”

“Let’s be clear: If you are for Biden in this contest, the casual, paternalistic, ‘Mad Men’ -era racism he flaunts — they can’t parent; this one here is clean, articulate, and a nice-looking guy — isn’t a dealbreaker for you,” Giridharadas added.
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#211 Post by max129 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:22 pm

I want to give Biden the benefit of the doubt; I really do. I might have to vote for him next year ;-)

But the rambling, racist, patronizing, out-of-date comments about lower class children and what they need was like a package of all the bad things about the man.
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#212 Post by featureless » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 pm

Biden's unwillingness to look at single payer health care puts him in the no-go category for me. I need to get something in order to vote for an assault weapon banner. He offers nothing.

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#213 Post by max129 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:40 pm

From the New York Times: Christopher Buskirk

And Mr. Trump has a certain animal cunning and roguish charisma that make him a very effective campaigner. If Democrats select Mr. Biden as their nominee, he is going to run into a rhetorical buzz saw and campaign tempo that he is going to find difficult to counter.
The whole article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/opin ... e=Homepage

While I might have chosen words other than "roguish charm", I don't really disagree. And I strongly agree with "very effective campaigner".

I think Trump might just eat Joe Biden alive in debates.

I do not, in any way, admire Trump; but I do fear him and the dark powers he commands. He is influential way beyond his ideas. Just his mannerisms and speaking style are like an energy drink to certain population segments. Nothing like that can be said about Joe Biden.
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#214 Post by K9s » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:38 pm

I like Biden for VP or Sec of State or something. I'll vote for him, but he isn't my first choice.

The terrible things from the presidency are bad, but I am really now more focused on state and local races. The current officeholders directly harm the people here. We have two senate races, too. I decided last night, after the "debate" show, that I already know my primary vote. I can tune all this stuff out for now and focus on Espy in MS, Jones in AL, and my local/state/Senate races.
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#215 Post by highdesert » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:38 pm

max129 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:40 pm
From the New York Times: Christopher Buskirk

And Mr. Trump has a certain animal cunning and roguish charisma that make him a very effective campaigner. If Democrats select Mr. Biden as their nominee, he is going to run into a rhetorical buzz saw and campaign tempo that he is going to find difficult to counter.
The whole article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/opin ... e=Homepage

While I might have chosen words other than "roguish charm", I don't really disagree. And I strongly agree with "very effective campaigner".

I think Trump might just eat Joe Biden alive in debates.

I do not, in any way, admire Trump; but I do fear him and the dark powers he commands. He is influential way beyond his ideas. Just his mannerisms and speaking style are like an energy drink to certain population segments. Nothing like that can be said about Joe Biden.
Buskirk comes from the right side of the political spectrum, don't know if he supports Trump but I agree I wouldn't have used his words for the occupant of the WH. Buskirk is just repackaging the "Sleepy Joe" tagline that Trump uses about Biden, just not in those words. Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, O'Rourke, Klobuchar...have different styles that are very apparent on stage. Trump is either being the narcissist or is very defensive ready for a fight, mixed with slimy salesman. Biden is known to have a temper, something that his aides fear he'll let loose at the wrong time. Trump and his supporters think he can dominate any debate, but Trump might not agree to any or only one debate that he can stage manage to his advantage.

Still very early days, more debates and primaries ahead.
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#216 Post by K9s » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:19 pm

From WaPo: Biden advisers weigh new Wall Street tax as 2020 rivals Warren and Sanders pitch aggressive levies on wealthy

Advisers to presidential candidate Joe Biden are weighing the introduction of a new tax on Wall Street, according to people familiar with the discussions, as the former vice president now stands alone among the Democratic presidential front-runners in not backing a multi-trillion-dollar “wealth tax” on the richest Americans.

The plan under consideration from Biden’s advisers could tax financial transactions such as the sale of stocks and bonds, one of the people said.
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#217 Post by CRM114 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:46 pm

I'm late to this thread and have only skimmed a few pages.

I'm behind Biden. I believe had it not been for his personal tragity we could have had 16 straight years of an Obama/Biden presidency.

I don't believe anyone now including Biden who has lost some traction since 2016 can be such a strong enough candidate to bring voters out of the wood work like Obama did and Hillary completely failed at.

I think the party's best bet is to push the candidate mostly likely pull over disenfranchised moderate republicans.

Even the hard core left is will vote for Biden, not because that is their choice but because they hate trump that much not to abandon the democrats and vote third party.

The USA right now is like a trauma victim. We have to stop the bleeding and support the airway before we even think of dealing with lesser injury. Taking the country forward will be the 2024 elections.

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#218 Post by highdesert » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:17 pm

Joe Biden seems to have the broadest base of all the candidates and that's what it will take to win the Electoral College. Even though the Ukraine scandal seems to be backfiring on Trump, it also raises questions for Biden. Biden as VP was tasked with helping reduce corruption in Ukraine, so why would any member of Biden's family or the Obama administration have any involvement in Ukraine. Burisma was paying Hunter Biden $50,000 per month, that's a lot of money.
From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption. But some ethics watchdogs at the time also said that unless there was clear evidence Hunter got the job to influence US foreign policy then there was no cause for concern.

His [Hunter's] hiring by Burisma was seen as an attempt by the company to bolster its image and the perception it had strong ties to the US as the world vilified Russia for its annexation of Crimea, the Times reported.
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#219 Post by K9s » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:27 am

CRM114 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:46 pm
I'm late to this thread and have only skimmed a few pages.

I'm behind Biden. I believe had it not been for his personal tragity we could have had 16 straight years of an Obama/Biden presidency.

I don't believe anyone now including Biden who has lost some traction since 2016 can be such a strong enough candidate to bring voters out of the wood work like Obama did and Hillary completely failed at.

I think the party's best bet is to push the candidate mostly likely pull over disenfranchised moderate republicans.

Even the hard core left is will vote for Biden, not because that is their choice but because they hate trump that much not to abandon the democrats and vote third party.

The USA right now is like a trauma victim. We have to stop the bleeding and support the airway before we even think of dealing with lesser injury. Taking the country forward will be the 2024 elections.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I am of the opinion that "disenfranchised moderate republicans" will never vote for a Dem in large enough numbers. I disagree that "Even the hard core left is will vote for Biden" because they didn't vote for HRC in 2016. They just won't vote again. My take is that they need to motivate non-voting people and give them a reason to vote Dem. Trump gave his non-voters a reason to vote GOP.

Besides, I don't think Biden will be the nominee, anyway. I could be wrong.
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#220 Post by VodoundaVinci » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 am

I agree with K9s - Hard Left voters will not vote for Joe Biden. At least not enough of them just like 2016.

I'm convinced it will be Joe Biden and pray to Gaad I'm wrong. I'm of the opinion that the true Liberals who didn't vote for Hillary weren't so much not wanting Hillary as having wanted Bernie and watched the Democrats rig it. They were sending a message the Democrats refuse yet to hear. They'll send it again when the Democrats force Joe Biden.

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#221 Post by TrueTexan » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:11 pm

VV I'm with you I would like a Sanders/Warren ticket Let Bernie handle the Humanitarian Issues, Medicare for all and other programs to help the people of this country. Then have Elizabeth handle the financial side with the Tax overhaul and reigning in Wall Street/banking reviving Consumer Protection Bureau etc. I would love to see another 100 days like we had under FDR. Make that a platform of the Dems. "100 days for We The People"
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#222 Post by highdesert » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Polls go up and down for all the candidates, Sanders was # 2 now he's # 3, he could go back up to # 2. When there are just a few points between candidates (of any party) in a poll, it's a toss up because it's within the margin of error of the poll. Just looking at the latest Harvard-Harris Poll (Harvard University & Harris Interactive), a new national poll of 2,009 registered voters. It's not unheard of for pollsters to ask other questions unrelated to the candidates sometimes about products, this one asked about mobile provider and internet service provider.

It also asked:
D14 Does anyone in your household own a gun?

Yes 680 33%
No 1389 67%
The question always asked is how many people lied - that there is a gun in their household but for privacy reasons they lie. It's voluntary, no one is going to verify it. And this sample is limited to registered voters which is only roughly 65% of those eligible to vote (all adults), so 33% could be higher. I've seen some polls with closer to 50% stating there is a gun in their household.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-conten ... Voters.pdf
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#223 Post by DispositionMatrix » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:54 pm

Biden releases "plan on guns."
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His proposal includes several elements supported by most, if not all, Democrats in the race, including universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, a voluntary buyback program and tens of millions of dollars in funding for gun violence research.

Mr. Biden also called for financial incentives to encourage states to enact gun licensing programs, but stopped short of endorsing a national licensing requirement, as many of his competitors have.

One unique element of his plan is a call for legislation that would end online sales of firearms and ammunition. This echoes a plank in former Representative Gabrielle Giffords’s gun control proposal, which all the candidates appearing in Wednesday’s forum have endorsed, but goes further: Ms. Giffords’s proposal would restrict and regulate online sales, but would not ban them altogether.
It's not yet on his site, though.
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#224 Post by Bisbee » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:02 pm

Interesting...

Will Trump’s Ukraine Scandal Turn Biden’s Campaign Into Collateral Damage?

https://truthout.org/articles/will-trum ... 2db243b770
UUnder normal circumstances, an incumbent Republican president facing deadly serious impeachment proceedings in an election season would be cause for spontaneous celebrations and unrestrained glee at the headquarters of the front-runner for the Democratic nomination. You would think the fact that Donald Trump is very publicly flying apart at the seams because of all this would have to deeply sweeten the moment, right?

The crew at former Vice President Joe Biden’s headquarters is almost certainly not celebrating, however, for a variety of ominous reasons, not the least of which is that according to some polls, Biden is no longer the front-runner. Some polls show Sen. Elizabeth Warren now leading nationally, and in critical states like Iowa, New Hampshire and California.

On Monday, The New York Times reported that the Biden campaign drastically slashed its digital advertising budget, all but abandoning the massive millennial voter bloc to Biden’s opponents. This move is widely perceived as a sign of deep weakness. “Candidates rarely withdraw so much money from their online campaigns unless they are seeing weak results in online fund-raising,” reported the Times.
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#225 Post by senorgrand » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:15 pm

I think it will hurt him.
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