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eelj wrote:
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What were they selling, cheap viagra?
something about barking dogs, and not the sore feet kind. bark-x, bark-off, bark-away, something like that, it was late. i didn't click the link. anyway, NATO rifles...

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I’m not saying I would leave California just for an FAL, but If I ever leave, that will be the first gun purchase.
I'm just outside of Carson City...You ever want to shoot a FAL or anything else that's not CA Kosher; just send me a PM and we'll go have some fun.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:23 pm
PS...the para FAL isn't materially longer than your basic folder AK.

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The Para FAL is just super cool. And while it is a much more compact size, it is still heavy and uses heavy magazines and ammunition. There are very few instances where it has advantages over smaller, lighter weapons. That's the problem with 7.62 NATO weapons. They are FANTASTIC special purpose weapons, just not the greatest choice for a general issue, one size fit's all kind of rifle.
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FrontSight wrote:
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bajajoaquin wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:39 pm
I’m not saying I would leave California just for an FAL, but If I ever leave, that will be the first gun purchase.
I'm just outside of Carson City...You ever want to shoot a FAL or anything else that's not CA Kosher; just send me a PM and we'll go have some fun.
You’re on!

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FN's newer battle rifles are easier to carry but you can't fault the FAL's reach.
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FNs...I don't know much about them. Aren't they Belgian?
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Belgian in origin by FN, ca. 1954. Made under license in many countries, used by over 70.

Two distinct types, inch (Commonwealth) and metric (the rest).

Variants include the paratrooper, rifle, and heavy barrel.

Complete gun manufacture discontinued worldwide, save for DS Arms in the US.

Quite a few are assembled annually by enthusiasts using modern receivers from different (some now defunct) manufacturers.

Excellent ergonomics, and when one is dialed in, very reliable.

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Is it actually .308 or NATO 7.62x51?
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Depends on who made the barrel.

Original military 7.62N. FN imports were .308, the rest; who cares.

In over 40 years of shooting them, they just don't care about it either.

I know, many overthink this but to me is just doesn't matter.

Reloading is where some make a big deal out of it. I don't reload.

The only truth is no steel case stuff. Too many documented kabooms, sorry Wolf & Tula.

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I'll let on that those FN FALs are pretty cool.

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YankeeTarheel wrote:
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Is it actually .308 or NATO 7.62x51?
My FAL and SCAR 17S are marked 7.62X51 so that's what I feed them. I've been told .308 is not a problem.
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Tedzilla wrote:
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YankeeTarheel wrote:
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Is it actually .308 or NATO 7.62x51?
My FAL and SCAR 17S are marked 7.62X51 so that's what I feed them. I've been told .308 is not a problem.
I thought anything that takes .308 takes 7.62x51.
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:wall: in theory the .308 has thinner walls and can be loaded hotter. in theory the exterior case dimensions are the same. in theory they headspace differently. :wtf: maybe someone who actually knows will come along and clarify.

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lurker wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:54 pm
:wall: in theory the .308 has thinner walls and can be loaded hotter. in theory the exterior case dimensions are the same. in theory they headspace differently. :wtf: maybe someone who actually knows will come along and clarify.
My AR-10 shoots both very nicely--except Tula shit!
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lurker wrote::wall: in theory the .308 has thinner walls and can be loaded hotter. in theory the exterior case dimensions are the same. in theory they headspace differently. :wtf: maybe someone who actually knows will come along and clarify.
This is the best explanation I've been able to find, but I'd still love to hear from one of our local experts.

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/7-62-n ... ifference/

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Look back at my recent posts. I feel they are interchangeable.

Thousands of rounds thru many different rifles have proved it to me.

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lurker wrote:
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let me see if i've got this straight. i believe the HK is the G3, german "version" of the belgian Fabrique Nationale FAL. apart from generally similar layout and shared ammo, how similar are they? do some parts interchange?

The G3 is derived from the Spanish CETME rifles of the 1950's. The FN FAL is a completely different design.

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Again, addressed in my previous posts.

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I'm with SubRosa on this. The same 168 gr .308 I use in my Steyr Scout Jeff Cooper Package is recommended as the most consistently accurate OTC load for my FN SCAR 17S... I'd shot .308 factory loads all day in an FAL or SCAR. I used .308 and 7.62X51 interchangeably in my HK91 for thousands of rounds.
PS: HK G3/HK91 are totally different from the FN FAL, but both eat .308 or 7.62X51 happily :)
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Tedzilla wrote:
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I'm with SubRosa on this. The same 168 gr .308 I use in my Steyr Scout Jeff Cooper Package is recommended as the most consistently accurate OTC load for my FN SCAR 17S... I'd shot .308 factory loads all day in an FAL or SCAR. I used .308 and 7.62X51 interchangeably in my HK 91 for thousands of rounds.
I guess my point is: I've read that .308 is the "master round" and if your rifle can shoot .308, it can shoot 7.62x51 NATO, but not necessarily the other way 'round.
And, in the AR-15, 5.56x45 NATO is the "master round". If it can shoot the 5.56, it can shoot .223, but not necessarily the other way 'round.
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The map is not the territory, as is said.

If the bolt closes on the round, choot 'em.

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YankeeTarheel wrote:
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Tedzilla wrote:
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I'm with SubRosa on this. The same 168 gr .308 I use in my Steyr Scout Jeff Cooper Package is recommended as the most consistently accurate OTC load for my FN SCAR 17S... I'd shot .308 factory loads all day in an FAL or SCAR. I used .308 and 7.62X51 interchangeably in my HK 91 for thousands of rounds.
I guess my point is: I've read that .308 is the "master round" and if your rifle can shoot .308, it can shoot 7.62x51 NATO, but not necessarily the other way 'round.
And, in the AR-15, 5.56x45 NATO is the "master round". If it can shoot the 5.56, it can shoot .223, but not necessarily the other way 'round.
The specs on headspace are a little different but have significant overlap. Most manufacturers set their factory loads to the lower end such that they work in both chambers.

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choot 'em.
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Very nice, a rare specimen.

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