lurker wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:21 pm
SailDesign wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:54 am
Sorry - I know we disagree here, but to keep preaching mitigation without some limits on firearms is just .....
yes, we likely disagree, but your exalted status as forum naval architect* buys you a tiny little smidgeon of cred. i'd like some specifics. what limits exactly are you advocating?
* you never know, LGC may need a navy someday. can we have guns over 14" bore?
And we can disagree. Perspectives are important. Sail, I too would like to know what limits you believe are appropriate and why. What do you believe they will accomplish?
To give you an analogy: You have a wooden sail boat (sorry, I'm not very knowledgeable on boats, so lay terms it is!). You note that the damn thing takes on water every time you put it in the water. Investigation leads to identification of a hole in your hull. Obviously, not a working strategy. So, you have some options. The first is the almighty duct tape. Second, you can put some putty in the hole and paint over it. Third, you can tow it to the shop, cut out the rotting wood, providing clear margins to sound wood, replace what is needed, sand, paint, sand, paint, epoxy coat and call it new. One of those solutions is an actual fix. The other two are Band-Aids that may appear to work, but you know full well you'll have wet feet again soon enough.
We know that "common sense" gun control measures are Band-Aids. We know this because states like California and New York have applied copious amounts of duct tape and bondo to "gun violence" but have not stopped either the flash-bang mass shootings or the run of the mill daily gun homicides in major metro areas (that, oddly enough, account for the vast majority of gun deaths and occur in areas where the measures noted in my post above are sorely lacking). "We" believe these common sense measures work, right? But where's the evidence? We target "assault weapons" every time, while knowing full well the vast majority of gun homicides are from handguns. We target magazine size limits, knowing full well that many shooters use multiple guns rather than standard capacity magazine (not even touching the arbitrary 10 deaths is fine, 11 is too many approach to this particular route). We pile on more background checks and waiting periods knowing that most guns used in homicides are illegally acquired and will continue to be so, bypassing the new laws, just like the existing laws. How do we ever expect these "tried and true" approaches to work?
I say all this because I am hugely saddened by violence in our society. I want it addressed. But I want the boat to be repaired, not just duct taped.