10th Circuit panel rules against restoring gun rights to convicted felon

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From the opinion in Vincent v Garland.
In 2008, Plaintiff Melynda Vincent pled guilty to bank fraud. She committed that fraud at a time when she was addicted to methamphetamine. Since the time of her offense, Vincent graduated from a drug treatment program, earned an undergraduate degree and two graduate degrees, and founded a nonprofit organization for drug treatment and criminal-justice reform. Now, Vincent desires to purchase and possess a firearm, but she cannot lawfully do so because 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1) and Utah Code § 76-10-503(3)(a) bar convicted felons from possessing firearms.
https://casetext.com/case/vincent-v-garland-1

The panel determined that the Supreme Court had tacitly acknowledged that the federal law prohibiting all convicted felons from possessing firearms was constitutional and declined to overturn its precedent reaching the same conclusion. “Given the six Justices’ reaffirmation of the Heller language and the Court’s apparent approval of ‘shall-issue’ regimes and related background checks, we conclude that Bruen did not indisputably and pellucidly abrogate our precedential opinion in McCane,” Judge Robert E. Bacharach, a Barack Obama appointee, wrote on behalf of the panel in Vincent v. Garland. The ruling adds to a small but growing list of decisions addressing whether it is unconstitutional to disarm felons, especially non-violent ones, under the Second Amendment. Since the Supreme Court’s decision in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen last June, the Third Circuit found the federal ban unconstitutional, at least in some instances, while the Eighth Circuit came down on the other side last month. The growing split among the federal circuit courts on the question could place it on the fast track toward Supreme Court review.
“Though Bruen created a new test for determining the scope of the Second Amendment, the Court didn’t appear to question the constitutionality of longstanding prohibitions on possession of firearms by convicted felons,” Judge Bacharach wrote. “If anything, Bruen contains two potential signs of support for these prohibitions.” According to Bacharach, the first sign was the Bruen majority’s reiteration of the late Justice Antonin Scalia’s remarks in Heller that the Court was not casting doubt on the constitutionality of longstanding firearms prohibitions, including the gun ban for convicted felons. The second sign was a concurrence by Justices Bret Kavanaugh and John Roberts reiterating that “shall-issue” gun-carry permitting laws, which rely on objective measures rather than the subjective judgment of officials, were acceptable under the Second Amendment. “In preserving ‘shall-issue’ regimes and related background checks, the Court arguably implied that it was constitutional to deny firearm licenses to individuals with felony convictions,” he wrote. “Bruen’s language thus could support an inference that the Second Amendment doesn’t entitle felons to possess firearms.”
Though the majority opinion did not find a reason to examine Vincent’s challenge under the Bruen test, Judge Bacharach mused separately in his own concurrence over the different possible interpretations of the felon-in-possession ban under the test. He suggested there was still a lot of uncertainty about the ban’s legality under both prongs of the test. “The text of the Second Amendment shows that it applies only to the right of the people with respect to possession of Arms,” he wrote. “There’s no question about the applicability of the term Arms: The federal ban addresses firearms, which are considered Arms under the Second Amendment. But does the term the people include individuals convicted of non-violent felonies?” He likewise noted that identifying the relevant history surrounding whether non-violent felons were traditionally disarmed “is demanding and subject to differing interpretations.” “Authorities have relied on different grounds for these prohibitions. For example, some judges trace these prohibitions to concern over a group’s threat to the political community,” he wrote, citing the Third Circuit opinion striking down the ban for a particular non-violent felon. “Other judges trace the prohibitions to threats of violence without parsing the traits of individual members.”
https://thereload.com/tenth-circuit-uph ... nt-felons/

Different opinions from separate circuits does mean this is likely headed to SCOTUS.
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Re: 10th Circuit panel rules against restoring gun rights to convicted felon

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featureless wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:26 am I'm all for non violent felons having rights restored. This is a pretty stupid ruling cause guns are bad. Otherwise, these judges would have been all over enhancing this success story.
Yes, Vincent is a wonderful story of overcoming addiction and rehabilitation and now she's giving back and helping others. Agree, a non-violent felony conviction shouldn't remove gun rights forever.

Three judge panel - an Obama appointee who wrote the decision; a W appointee and a Trump appointee. I hope this gets cert and is argued before SCOTUS this term.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/ap ... 09-15.html
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CDFingers wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:14 pm In most states, felons also lose voting rights. Odd that convicted felons may still run for president.

CDFingers
Is the old, fat, orange turd a resident of Florida or NY?
Florida law deprives convicted felons of certain Civil Rights including the right to vote, serve on a jury, hold public office, and restricts the issuance and renewal of some professional licenses such as real estate and insurance.
When you are convicted of a New York state felony you lose many of the rights and privileges of being an American citizen:
You may no longer vote (this is called “felony disenfranchisement”)

Re: 10th Circuit panel rules against restoring gun rights to convicted felon

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CDFingers wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:14 pm In most states, felons also lose voting rights. Odd that convicted felons may still run for president.

CDFingers
And the authority and ability to use nuclear weapons.

Also, "odd" hardly describes the situation. Fucking stupidly hypocritical and inconsistent is more fitting, I think.
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Democrats and Republicans have at one time controlled the trifecta and could have passed legislation that would have barred convicted felons from holding any elected federal office. Neither party has done it in the past, guess they always thought they could shame the person into resigning, that was dumb. States bar felons, but the laws vary.

Trump may be convicted of felonies in state and federal court, but he still has the right to exhaust appeals before he starts serving his sentences and appeals can continue even after that time.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:06 am
Trump may be convicted of felonies in state and federal court, but he still has the right to exhaust appeals before he starts serving his sentences and appeals can continue even after that time.
Which is even more insulting. How many actually innocent people spent years (some times dying) locked up before exoneration? He shouldn't be any different. File all the appeals you want. From prison. Anything less is yet another slap in the face to all of us who wouldn't be receiving the leniency he so far has.
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NonServiam wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:51 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:06 am
Trump may be convicted of felonies in state and federal court, but he still has the right to exhaust appeals before he starts serving his sentences and appeals can continue even after that time.
Which is even more insulting. How many actually innocent people spent years (some times dying) locked up before exoneration? He shouldn't be any different. File all the appeals you want. From prison. Anything less is yet another slap in the face to all of us who wouldn't be receiving the leniency he so far has.

The difference is Trump has plenty of money, he can afford good criminal lawyers for his four criminal trials and if convicted, he'll hire appellate lawyers to try and keep him out of jail and reverse the convictions. Countries around the world are the same, high quality lawyers cost money. Lawyers want to make money after years of expensive education, at least the way legal education is designed in the US. The poor have public defenders and lawyers appointed by courts, I'm not inferring that they are inferior. Sometimes a prisoner can get a lawyer pro bono to work on an appeal.
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